[MartZubok]

Aslam-o-alikum Brothers...!!

I am here to highlight some of the controversial features of Imam-Abu Hanifa (r.h) regarding his knowledge about FIQAH and (NOT about his personality as after all he was a pious person). These features has been discussed by the most eminent scholars of Islam:

Imam Bukhari (r.h) said... "we are quite on sayings or raiye of Abu Haifa (r.h)".... (Tarikhu-ul-kabir page -81). Imam ibn-e-kasir said that to be quite on someone raiye means..its not authentic and not according to Sahi Ahdeeths (Arraf-e-takmeel page -182).

Imam Nisaai (r.h) said...Abu Hanifa (r.h) having a very little amount of Sahi Ahdeeth (Rasool-Allah s.aw.)....(Alzofa-al matrokeen page -58)

Ibn-e-saad & ibn-e-aqelee said...most of the interpretations of Ahdeeth (s.w) recorded by Anu hanifa (r.h) are very week and unacceptable....(al-tabqaat page -206).

Abdul haq shibelee said....Abu Hanifa (r.a) interpretations about Islamic laws are not good enough to accept and to act upon but only 17 interpretation are acceptable from him...(Ahkam-ul-Kubra page -17)

Imam ibn-e-abi sheeba said in (al-musanif page 148), Imam Auzaaee said (r.h) , Imam Taimiya (r.h) (Kitab-ul suunah page 236) said that Abu hanifa's (r.h) interpretations are generally week and not according to Sahi Ahdeeth (s.a.w).

Shah wali ullah Muhadis dehalvi (r.h) said..one should not follow Abu hanifa s (r.h) all interpretations without having knowledge of fiqah-e-ossol (Huja-tul-Allah baligha).

Abdul Qadir Jilani said that hanfiayat is a sub sect of one of a deviated sect in Islam i.e Marjiya ...(Ghuniyat-ul-talaibeen)

Conclusion: As per above and even other scholars of Islam there is no doubt that Abu Hanifa (r.h) is one of the pious person of Islam...(but not an eminent scholar as far as FIQAH is concerned). And Allah knows better.

[JasminBerkova]

errm whats the point of this thread? i really don't think any sensible hanafi is going to change his math-hab because of this article...

[Kokomoxcv]

Aslam-o-alikum Brothers...!!

I am here to highlight some of the controversial features of Imam-Abu Hanifa (r.h) regarding his knowledge about FIQAH

Ok first of all who are you? What are your credentials? lets start with that first!!!!

Secoundly are you this person referred to in the article below :

"it was during the Hajj of 2009 that I was sat in a tent in Mina, a stone throw away from the Jamarat, when I was forced to listen to a young man’s rant on how weak Imam A‘zam Abu Hanifah apparently was in hadith.

Ignoring the sanctity of the venue and time, this young man — who it later transpired was an instructor at Al Kauthar Institute — gave a very colourful and misleading description of the respected imam’s supposed lack of knowledge and prowess in hadith"

umm...sounds awfully like you!

Read this article then lets talk!!! http://www.deoband.org/2011/04/hadit...ah-and-hadith/

[Anaerbguagree]

.....maulana Ilyas ghumman calls them "checkers"...

[Wxrxnhar]

Conclusion: As per above and even other scholars of Islam there is no doubt that Abu Hanifa (r.h) is one of the pious person of Islam...(but not an eminent scholar as far as FIQAH is concerned). And Allah knows better.

How foolish

[arindiruppyr]

"Jawad 121" you should change your nick to" Jawad 420"

[mrllxp]

Assalamu alaykum

Jawad said
[I am here to highlight some of the controversial features.........]

Jawad,
1. why after decades of effort why only SOME. Why don't you post all the controversial features.
2. After reading those CONTROVERSIAL FEATURES what do you expect from we hanafees.

[maxfieldj1]

Assalamu alaykum

Jawad said
[I am here to highlight some of the controversial features.........]

Jawad,
1. why after decades of effort why only SOME. Why don't you post all the controversial features.
2. After reading those CONTROVERSIAL FEATURES what do you expect from we hanafees.

]



Because they don't have guts.

They have fear that surely they will lose.

[SusanSazzios]

http://www.deoband.org/2011/04/hadit...ah-and-hadith/

“Ibn Hajr said,
‘Avoid being under the delusion that Abu Hanifah did not have full knowledge apart from fiqh. Allah forbid. He was in the sciences of Shari‘ah — such as exegesis (tafsir) and hadith — the auxiliary sciences relating to literature etc and legal intuition an ocean that could not be surpassed and an imam who could not be contested. The speech of some of his enemies regarding him is different to this; it is rooted in jealousy. The proof of this lies in his being superior to his contemporaries and their accusing him of falsities.’

“Abu Hanifah was with A‘mash who was asked about some juristic issues.
A‘mash said to Abu Hanifah, ‘What do you say regarding this?’ He replied and A‘mash said, ‘Where did you get this from?’
Abu Hanifah said, ‘From your hadiths which I have narrated from you.’ He then narrated to him a number of hadiths along with their chains of narration consecutively.
A‘mash said to him. ‘That’s enough. What I narrated to you in a hundred days you narrate to me in an hour. I did not know you were acting on these hadiths. Oh community of jurists (fuqaha), you are the physicians and we are the pharmacists. And you fellow, you have taken both.’

Al-Shafi‘i said, ‘People are children to Abu Hanifah in fiqh.'

“Hafs ibn Ghiyath said, ‘The speech of Abu Hanifah in fiqh is finer than a hair; only an ignoramus finds fault in it.’

Abu Yusuf said,
"I have not seen another person as profoundly learned as Abu Hanifa in the knowledge of hadith. There is not another alim who can expound Ahadith as competently as he did."

The great alim and mujtahid Sufyaan ath-Thawri said,
"In comparison with Abu Hanifa, we were like sparrows with a falcon. Abu Hanifa is the leader of the 'ulama'."

Yazid ibn Harun said, "I studied under a thousand 'ulama'. Among them I did not see anyone who had as much wara' as Abu Hanifa did or who was as wise as Abu Hanifa (Rihimahu Allahu Ta'ala)."

In the book Sayf-ul-muqallidin ala a'nak-il-munkirin, Mawlana Muhammad 'Abdul-Jalil wrote in Persian:
"The la-madhhabi say that Abu Hanifa was weak in the knowledge of hadith. This assertion of theirs shows that they are ignorant or jealous. Al-Imam az-Zahabi and Ibn Hajar al-Makki say that al-Imam al-azam was an alim of hadith. He learned Ahadith from four thousand 'ulama'. Three hundred of them were among the Tabi'een and were 'ulama' of hadith.

Al-Imam ash-Sharaani says in the first volume of al-Mizaan, 'I have studied three of al-Imam al-azam's Musnads. All of them transmit information from the well-known 'ulama' of the Tabi'een.'

[gagagaridze]

"I am a salafi...i follow the quran and sunnah according to the understand of the salaf....BUT the salaf didn't know hadith very well....also a lot of hadiths didnt reach the salaf.....the imams in the time of the salaf were weak in hadith.....so because of this....many of the salaf didn't even know the correct method of salah....but hey im salafi"

seriously confused people

[JasminBerkova]

"I am a salafi...i follow the quran and sunnah according to the understand of the salaf....BUT the salaf didn't know hadith very well....also a lot of hadiths didnt reach the salaf.....the imams in the time of the salaf were weak in hadith.....so because of this....many of the salaf didn't even know the correct method of salah....but hey im salafi"

seriously confused people

honestly! i want to give them da'wah to take on a math-hab... they'll feel soo secure and confident after that !!!!

[Rx-Ultram]

honestly! i want to give them da'wah to take on a math-hab... they'll feel soo secure and confident after that !!!!

They will indeed feel more secure provided they are are ready to listen. This is the rub. They are not only confused but bent on spreading their confusion. They think they are rather smart and they do believe it. They are the new mutazilah and they have to be dealt with effectively. This has not been done till now.

[GoveMoony]

Abdul Qadir Jilani said that hanfiayat is a sub sect of one of a deviated sect in Islam i.e Marjiya ...(Ghuniyat-ul-talaibeen)

As far as Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jailani ru quote is concerned, if you're a salafi you shouldnt have quoted this here because according to your scholars all four imams had the same aqidah, now if you consider hanafis to be murjiyah that means even the salaf and the salafis are all murjiah.

Nonsense.

[mrllxp]

The Excellence of Hadhrat Imaam Abu Haneefa (ra)’s Knowledge:

Hadhrat Mas’ar bin Kudaam (ra), who passed away 115 years after the Hijrah, was a great scholar. Hadhrat Yahya bin Sa’eed Qattaan (ra) says that he never saw anyone with more dependable knowledge than Hadhrat Mas’ar (ra). Imaam Ahmed bin Hambal (ra) writes that truly reliable scholars are the likes of Imaam Shu’ba and Mas’ar (ra). The same Hadhrat Mas’ar bin Kudaam (ra) has the following to say about Hadhrat Imaam Abu Haneefa (ra): “I was a student of Hadith along with Hadhrat Imaam Abu Haneefa (A.R), but he excelled ahead of us. When we took to abstinence (piety) he outstripped us, and when we studied Fiqh he produced what you see.” [Al Intiqaa Pg.27]

Hadhrat Ibn Mubaarak (ra) says that whenever Hadhrat Mas’ar (A.R) saw Hadhrat Imaam Abu Haneefa (ra) he stood up in respect and would sit before the Imaam with the utmost honour for him. The above testimony of Hadhrat Mas’ar (ra) attests to the high status that Hadhrat Imaam Abu Haneefa (ra) held with regard to Ahadeeth.


Imaam Layth bin Sa’d Misri (A.R) was a scholar of great distinction. Imaam Shaafi’ee (ra) says that he walked with more Ahadeeth than Imaam Maalik (ra). He was also extremely influential in the Egyptian government. The same Imaam Layth (ra) said, “Hadhrat Imaam Abu Haneefa (ra) was a greatly celebrated personality in academic circles and I was very eager to meet him. I eventually met him in Makkah when I noticed a group of people falling head over heels for him. When I heard someone shout “Abu Haneefa!” I understood that this must be Hadhrat Imaam Abu Haneefa (ra). My desire to meet him could then not be restrained.” [Manaaqib Thalaatha by Imaam Dhahabi (ra), Pg. 22]

Hadhrat Layth bin Sa’d (ra) was also a great Mujtahid whose school of jurisprudence was followed for centuries. His rulings coincide so much with those of the Hanafi Madh’hab that some historians have even included his name in the ranks of the Ahnaaf [plural of Hanafi i.e. a follower of Hadhrat Imaam Abu Haneefa (ra)]. Nawaab Siddiq Hasan Khan has mentioned this as well.

Haafidh Ibn Abdil Barr (ra) quotes the following statement from one of the students of Hadhrat Imaam Abu Haneefa (ra), Hadhrat Yazeed bin Haroon (ra), who was himself a renowned Muhaddith. He says, “I have sat before a thousand Muhadditheen to learn Ahadeeth and I have narrated Ahadeeth from most of them. Amongst all of these, there are only about five whom I found to possess the deepest understanding and to be the most pious. At the head of these five is Hadhrat Imaam Abu Haneefa (ra).” [Al Intiqaa Pg. 163]

Whenever the Muhadditheen refer to someone as a “Faqeeh”, it means that they regard the person to be one who has a deep understanding of the Ahadeeth. Imaam Tirmidhi (ra) writes, “This is what the Fuqahaa (plural of Faqeeh) have said, and they are most knowledgeable about the meanings of the Ahadeeth.”

Imaam Yahya bin Sa’eed Qattaan (ra) was a Muhaddith of the highest calibre who initiated the science of Asmaa’ur Rijaal, which deals with the examination of every narrator of hadith. Great scholars like Imaam Ahmed bin Hambal (ra) and Hadhrat Ali bin Madeeni (ra) used to stand and verify Ahadeeth with him. It was common amongst the Muhadditheen to discard any Hadith that he discarded.

Hadhrat Yahya bin Ma’een (ra) writes, “I have heard Yahya bin Qattaan (ra) say, ‘I do not speak a word of lie when I say that I have never heard anyone with a better opinion than Imaam Abu Haneefa (ra).” Hadhrat Yahya bin Ma’een (ra) writes further, “In fact, he (Yahya bin Qattaan) followed most of the rulings passed by Hadhrat Imaam Abu Haneefa (ra).” [Tahdheeb Vol.1 Pg.50]


The Prominent Students of Hadhrat Imaam Abu Haneefa (ra):


1. Hadhrat Abdullaah bin Mubaarak (ra):
2. Hadhrat Imaam Abu Yusuf (ra)

3. Hadhrat Imaam Zufar bin Hudhail (ra)

4. Hadhrat Imaam Muhammed bin Hasan Shaybaani (ra)



Other renowned Muhadditheen who were students of Hadhrat Imaam Abu Haneefa (ra) included:

1. Hadhrat Yahyaa bin Sa’eed Qattaan (ra).
2. Hadhrat Wakee bin Jarraa (ra).
3. Hadhrat Sufyaan bin Uyayna (ra).
4. Hadhrat Yazeed bin Haroon (ra).
5. Hadhrat Hafs bin Ghayaath (ra).
. Hadhrat Yahya bin Abi Zaa’idah (ra) and many others.

[arindiruppyr]

Salafis are so baghairat that even if we believe they dont have any bughuz with Imam Abu hanifa, but due to their general Bughuz for Hanafis, these fools use Imam Abu Hanifa as their Boxing Bag. And rather than keeping their criticsim to us they use Imam Abu HanifA to fullfill their desire and caprice. So retched these people have become.

[FYvWldC0]

السلام عليكم

I put a thousand question marks on the person who started this thread.

My connection is too slow, this is a lecture on Abu Hanifa (rah) by a Salafi scholar, watch it and tell me if he praises him or criticizes him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBf7hsDUyyo


PS: Jawad is a common Shia name.

[KlaraNovikoffa]

The views of A'immah of the Ummah on Imam Abu Hanifah's fiqhi skills....


http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...udential-skill...

[AmericaAirline 111]

Some of the muhaddithin did in fact direct harsh criticism towards Imam Abu Hanifah. Instead of dealing with each individual quote, it is easier if the brothers familiarize themselves with certain principles to understand why scholars criticize each other.

If the OP is truly sincere, I would advise him to have a look at the following article, which should clarify the issue, inshallah: http://www.deoband.org/2010/07/hadit...nce-of-hadith/

If I want, I can gather all the negative comments about a number of famous 'ulama and post them on this forum to make them look bad. However, I fear Allah regarding this matter and don't want to secure my place in the Hellfire by reviving dead fitnas and causing laypeople to have a bad opinion of the imams of this religion.

[pouslytut]

...

If I want, I can gather all the negative comments about a number of famous 'ulama and post them on this forum to make them look bad. However, I fear Allah regarding this matter and don't want to secure my place in the Hellfire by reviving dead fitnas and causing laypeople to have a bad opinion of the imams of this religion.

Subhan-Allah. Cannot disagree with you.

[sam]

is there any benefit in this thread? All I can see is it's creating more fitna (and worst yet, by laymen against scholars?). More over when there's no new information but just recycled ones.

Scholars would always argue with each other but they do that within the acceptable framework. It's not up to the laymen to judge the outcome. If the issue is grave enough, like in the case of Qadiani for example, then there'll be a consensus of scholars that would agree on a verdict and announce it to the public.

To Jawad-121, you and all of us have more important issues that we have to deal with (our knowledge, our ibadat, our mannerism and so on). No need to be a part of fitna like this.

To Mod, is it possible to lock or just delete this thread? There are good articles linked by the brothers to refute the allegations from the first post that probably will be helpful if other topics like this surfaces again. Perhaps the links can be archived or something?