[radikal]

I'd have to read my own Mishnah and check it out. I'm not convinced that out of context quotes from an Islamic site that makes frequent references to neo Nazism is the best choice.

[softy54534]

A casual analysis though leads me to this. The section refers to Moses' order to destroy a city and kill most of the idolators living there save for small children. The point is that anyone who is not a virgin must be killed. The age reference I think is an oblique comparison that any child, a PAGAN child who might have been already raped (under the age of 11-12) might still technically be a virgin since the hymen could forseeably grow back, in this case, in a child about the age of three. The declaration is for the Rabbi to specifically examin the child's hymen to see if it has already been punctured and grown back. If it has grown back - and the point here is not AT that age but FROM that age, then the child is technically a virgin.

I will check my own Mishnah to see if this a misquote flying around the internet.

[TorryJens]

Yes a girl can have a B'nei Mitzvah at 13 or 12 at which time they are technically permitted to marry unless civil law overrides that. In the Talmud it states that a girl of 11.5 who wants to have a B'nei Mitzvah (Bat Mitzvah) must be questioned by Rabbis to evaluate her sincerity and to examine whether she is being pressured into it.

[PhillipHer]

No what' it's saying is that the equivalent of finding out whether one is a virgin or not must be applied. Yes it is obscure.

[TorryJens]

No what' it's saying is that the equivalent of finding out whether one is a virgin or not must be applied. Yes it is obscure.

Have you been medically tested for anything in Israel?

When I lived in America, the medical testing center, like an X-Ray specialist, would send the the report directly to my doctor who had requested the test.
Never did I get the opportunity to receive the test results directly,and read the technical language of the medical professional, the radiologist, interpreting my X-Ray.

But, here in Israel, the some clerk will give you an envelope to take with you, or you might have to come back in a few days to pick up the results, and then bring the results yourself to the doctor where you are a member at a health clinic. Then, your doctor interprets the results, and you go from there.

The few times that I have been medically tested here, I have witnessed what the people do who receive that envelope from the clerk with the results. All of us rip it open and read technical language that we really don't know how to interpret and how to apply the results to our own specific case.

How many people do you think have been almost shocked to death to learn by their own reading and interpretation that they have cancer?

The same is with the Talmud, the Mishna and the Gemara. These are highly codified and technical writings of the greatest of the Rabbinic sages centuries ago.

So, if you didn't devote the good part of your life studying daily in a Yeshiva with a Rabbi who studied with his Rabbi ... all the way unbroken back down to the source 2,000 years ago, and you are not one of these qualified Orthodox Rabbis, then you all should go to a qualified Orthodox Rabbi and
let him explain to you the technical and codified jargon of the Mishna and the Gemara and the Torah applied to the cases you have in mind.

[Paul Bunyan]

So I'm guessing that you yourself no valid thoughts on the matter then?

[Ifroham4]

Couple years ago in Russian cable channel there was a program shows a woman in age 20 that look like 70
She had sort of disease that cause to fast aging (real sad story made me drip a tear)

There also was a man in age 60 who look like 25



In general human live children are children.

These I mention above are exceptional events

If I am not mistaken some passages in the Talmud addresses to such feasibilities where a girl been question on her intention on marriage



There is a myth that Abraham was mature in age 3 (not physically but emotionally)


I know of pre marriage agreement where two families who found they have much in common and want to preserve that kind of relations through their children they make a pact that in the future the marriage between their children will take place
This kind of marriage conducted in most between Jews from Bukhara and Georgia and ilk