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Newton, Kepler, Brahe, Copernicus, Gallileo, Rheinmann, Gauss, Taylor, Liebniz, Fermat, Descartes, Pasteur, Darwin, Russell, Oppenheimer, Lawrence, Locke, Monteisque, Shakespear.......


I could go on for several hundred pages.

[TorryJens]

yea sure, I'll prepare a chart of comparison, but after you name one COPTIC CHRISTIAN scientist and what he provided for the world. This means this scientist must have lived between 50~ CE when xianity entered egypt until ~700 CE when islam came.
here is a PARTIAL list of islamic ones:

701 (died) - Khalid Ibn Yazeed - Alchemy

721 - Jabir Ibn Haiyan (Geber) - (Great Muslim Alchemist)

740 - Al-Asmai - (Zoology, Botany, Animal Husbandry)

780 - Al-Khwarizmi (Algorizm) - (Mathematics, Astronomy)

787 - Al Balkhi, Ja'Far Ibn Muhammas (Albumasar) - Astronomy, Fortune-telling

796 (died) - Al-Fazari,Ibrahim Ibn Habeeb - Astronomy, Translation

800 - Ibn Ishaq Al-Kindi - (Alkindus) - (Philosophy, Physics, Optics)

808 - Hunain Ibn Is'haq - Medicine, Translator

815 - Al-Dinawari, Abu-Hanifa Ahmed Ibn Dawood - Mathematics, Linguistics

836 - Thabit Ibn Qurrah (Thebit) - (Astronomy, Mechanics)

838 - Ali Ibn Rabban Al-Tabari - (Medicine, Mathematics)

852 - Al Battani ABU abdillah (Albategni) - Mathematics, Astronomy, Engineering

857 - Ibn MasawaihYou'hanna - Medicine

858 - Al-Battani (Albategnius) - (Astronomy, mathematics)

860 - Al-Farghani (Al-Fraganus) - (Astronomy,Civil Engineering)

884 - Al-Razi (Rhazes) - (Medicine,Ophthalmology, Chemistry)

870 - Al-Farabi (Al-Pharabius) - (Sociology, Logic, Science, Music)

900 - (died) - Abu Hamed Al-ustrulabi - Astronomy

903 - Al-Sufi (Azophi - ( Astronomy)

908 - Thabit Ibn Qurrah - Medicine, Engineering

912 (died) - Al-Tamimi Muhammad Ibn Amyal (Attmimi) - Alchemy

923 (died) - Al-Nirizi, AlFadl Ibn Ahmed (wronge Altibrizi) - Mathematics, Astronomy

930 - Ibn Miskawayh, Ahmed Abuali - Medicine, Alchemy

932 - Ahmed Al-Tabari - Medicine

936 - Abu Al-Qasim Al-Zahravi (Albucasis) - (Surgery, Medicine)

940 - Muhammad Al-Buzjani - (Mathematics, Astronomy, Geometry)

950 - Al Majrett'ti Abu-alQasim - Astronomy, Alchemy, Mathematics

960 (died) - Ibn Wahshiyh, Abu Baker - Alchemy, Botany

965 - Ibn Al-Haitham (Alhazen) - Physics, Optics, Mathematics)

973 - Abu Raihan Al-Biruni - (Astronomy, Mathematics)

976 - Ibn Abil Ashath - Medicine

980 - Ibn Sina (Avicenna) - (Medicine, Philosophy, Mathematics)

983 - Ikhwan A-Safa (Assafa) - (Group of Muslim Scientists)

1019 - Al-Hasib Alkarji - Mathematics

1029 - Al-Zarqali (Arzachel) - Astronomy (Invented Astrolabe)

1044 - Omar Al-Khayyam - (Mathematics, Poetry)

1060 - (died) Ali Ibn Ridwan Abu'Hassan Ali - Medicine

1077 - Ibn Abi-Sadia Abul Qasim - Medicine

1090 - Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar) - Surgery, Medicine

1095 - Ibn Bajah, Mohammed Ibn Yahya

1097 - Ibn Al-Baitar Diauddin (Bitar) - Botany, Medicine, Pharmacology

1099 - Al-Idrisi (Dreses) - Geography, World Map (First Globe)

1091 - Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar) - ( Surgery, Medicine)

1095 - Ibn Bajah, Mohammad Ibn Yahya (Avenpace) - Philosophy, Medicine

1099 - Al-Idrisi (Dreses) - (Geography -World Map, First Globe)

1100 - Ibn Tufayl Al-Qaysi - Philosophy, Medicine

1120 - (died) - Al-Tuhra-ee, Al-Husain Ibn Ali - Alchemy, Poem

1128 - Ibn Rushd (Averroe's) - Philosophy, Medicine

1135 - Ibn Maymun, Musa (Maimonides) - Medicine, Philosphy

1140 - Al-Badee Al-Ustralabi - Astronomy, Mathematics

1155 (died) - Abdel-al Rahman AlKhazin - Astronomy

1162 - Al Baghdadi, Abdellateef Muwaffaq - Medicine, Geography

1165 - Ibn A-Rumiyyah Abul'Abbas (Annabati) - Botany

1173 - Rasheed AlDeen Al-Suri - Botany

1184 - Al-Tifashi, Shihabud-Deen (Attifashi) - Metallurgy, Stones

1201 - Nasir Al-Din Al-Tusi - (Astronomy, Non-Euclidean Geometry)

1203 - Ibn Abi-Usaibi'ah, Muwaffaq Al-Din - Medicine

1204 (died) - Al-Bitruji (Alpetragius) - (Astronomy)

1213 - Ibn Al-Nafis Damishqui - (Anatomy)

1236 - Kutb Aldeen Al-Shirazi - Astronomy, Geography

1248 (died) - Ibn Al-Baitar - ( Pharmacy, Botany)

1258 - Ibn Al-Banna (Al Murrakishi), Azdi - Medicine, Mathematics

1262 (died) - Al-Hassan Al-Murarakishi - Mathematics, Astronomy, Geography

1273 - Al-Fida (Abdulfeda) - ( Astronomy, Geography)

1306 - Ibn Al-Shater Al Dimashqi - Astronomy, Mathematics

1320 (died) - Al Farisi Kamalud-deen Abul-Hassan - Astronomy, Physics

1341 (died) - Al-Jildaki, Muhammad Ibn Aidamer - Alchemy

1351 - Ibn Al-Majdi, Abu Abbas Ibn Tanbugha - Mathematics, Astronomy

1359 - Ibn Al-Magdi,Shihab-Udden Ibn Tanbugha - Mathematic, Astronomy

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Haifa seems to be saying that until islam came about 1500 years ago, the world barely left the stone age! HAHAHAHA! That all the scientific and other human advances just suddenly materialized from a primative vaccume until islam appeared.

Never mind that islamic warriors sacked every great center of civilization they plundered into. A bunch of brutal carpetbaggers taking credit for the achievments of others. As if "islamic achievements" materialized like magic from nothing. What a crock. There was nothing islamic intellectuals did on their own. Alexandria was left in rubble by muslims, Moorish Spain was already at its height by the time islam came to town, but the one thing islam achieved which is still a thriving business, is slavery. And all this business about reparations for african slavery should be presented at islam's door.

[radikal]

Originally posted by Vic
This is somewhat at odds with your signatureisn't it?

Now seriously. The accomplishments of "the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600" are undeniable. But what is it in your opinion that happened afterwards? I don't think that there are many countries with predominantly Muslim population and exemplary leadership today. Why this downslide? Can you think of any ways out of it?
Undeniable?????

Of course it's deniable! Can you answer the following:

1) Why haven't any of these "achievements" appeared until the Muslims started conquering countries with an ALREADY established civilization like Egypt, Prussian, and the Roman?

2) Why can't we find ANY KIND of civilization in old Saudi Arabia (where Islam started), whereas according to your words, this should have been the "source" of civilization and scientific achievements since all the Islam started and was concentrated there.

3) What do you think Muslims invented that the great civilizations like Rome and Alexandria didn't invent?

4) If the Muslims are that interested in science and human civilization, why did they burn the great Library of Alexandria by Amr Ibn El-Aas?

5) If Islam was that civilized and advanced, why Arabs needed, for example, Christian Egyptians to continue managing the financial issues in Egypt when they conquer it?

The problem is that only ignorant people talks about that issue! Go and find a book about ancient Egyptian civilization and its scientific accomplishments, then get a book about the accomplishments of Arabs in the period they conquer Egypt at. Surprisingly you will find that ALL the ancient Egyptian scientific inventions are credited to Muslims IN THE TIME PERIOD they conquer Egypt at.

When you read any comprehensive book about early Islamic civilization, you will find that this era was simply fights and conspiracy between Muslims ruler (i.e. the main Khalifa and the governors or Wolah) and filled with assassinations and barbaric life style.

Everything credited to Islamis Civilization is simply stolen from the lands they conquered.

[Lt_Apple]

Originally posted by Haifa
Vic, the thread was aimed at Coptic Xians, not Jews. It really pisses me off when Coptics (not all xians, just coptics) come and say muslims did not invent anything, while they (coptics) are the most backword people in history.

Ezra says they stole what the coptics had, hahha. Ok, name me one coptic scientist or mathematician. I can name you thousqands of muslims who supposedly 'stole' stuff from the coptics, but can you name me one coptic whose 'stuff' was stolen? I think not.

Until this moment, coptics are still more backward than muslims. I will not get into coptic bashing now, however, though the coptic religion already bashes itself, as in what happened to ((Barsoom)).

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Back to vic: yes, most islamic countries are backward now, and here are the reasons:

Now we all know that religion is the opposite of advancement. In the past, the whole world was religious, so westeners did not have the advantage they have over muslims (the advantage is
being unreligious/atheist). At that point of history, muslims became the leading civilization and they had all the science and discoveries etc.

Now, however, the west is becoming atheist, and they have n advantage over muslim countries that are prevented from advancing because of religion.


That is not the only reason, and it may not be the most important, either. Other reasons include various events such as internal wars, and the transfer of power to the Turks (the Ottomons). Now the irony is that turky itself, which was the cause of the backwardness in the Islamic world, became secular.
I'm wondering why haven't you dared answering any og the questions I asked and just commented about the "coptic" issue.

Are you a Muslim? Because as far as I see that's a typical Muslim behavior. When he get stuck, he just tries to branch to any silly sub-topic.