[LottiFurmann]

Frizzer,

The World ignores the Arab double-speak because it knows several things - that many masses, possibly the majority, of the Islamic world have warm feeling towards Bin Laden and any other Muslim who "stands up" to the Infadels, Zionists and Crusaders. We see this in the media (ie. Al-Jazeera), in the street demonstrations, in the opposition to taking down Saddam (an Arab/Islamic hero), in the mosques, etc.

But they don't want to face the conflict that will inevitably come between the many with these beliefs, and the west.

So they want Israel to be Czeckoslovakia, first the WB, of course, but do you really believe the Europeans would, say, vote for a UN resolution re-enforcing Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state? Given their response to Yassin's killing, when his goal was openly the destruction of Israel, I have to doubt it. Given the support for "post-Zionism" in Europe...

The Europeans will simply wash their hands if the Arabs get their chance to build new gas chambers in the mid-east, in the hope that the death of the Jews at least buys them some more time, before having to really engage Imperialist, intolerant Islamism.

Europe is the most selfish and amoral continent in the world, made worse be the fact that they lecture others about morality.

They are repeating the mistakes of Neville Chamberlain, again.


Originally posted by frizzer1
We all know that they lie and fabricate events.What I don't understand is how the rest of the world accepts and even encourages their lying.

[PhillipHer]

As long as Arabs will lie to themselves about their own selfs Arab world does not have a chance.

[LottiFurmann]

Originally posted by ibrodsky
You also said "Lots of people with all sorts of political agendas often contradict themselves. Humans are not perfect."

Liars aren't going to do you the favor of confessing. It's through their contradictory statements that they reveal themselves. Some are better at covering their tracks than others. So very true.

[Slonopotam845]

http://www.meforum.org/article/587

This is a massive great article on the Big Lie perpetrated by the Egypt that Israel was secretly aided in 67 by the USA. It touches on Arab mythmaking up through the present day including 9-11.

The Lie That Won't Die: Collusion, 1967
by Elie Podeh

The United States' role: Israel was not [fighting] on its own in the [1967] war. Hundreds of volunteers, pilots, and military officers with American scientific spying equipment of the most advanced type photographed the Egyptian posts for it [Israel], jammed the Egyptian defense equipment, and transmitted to it the orders of the Egyptian command.

The above quote is not a propaganda item; it is taken from an Egyptian high school history textbook published in 1999.[1] This fictitious depiction repeats older textbooks, and is reproduced in new textbooks for lower grades.[2] For more than thirty years, a fabricated narrative of the 1967 war has been transmitted by the Egyptian education system as a fact.

This narrative first appeared on the second day of the war when Egypt launched a massive propaganda campaign that also included reports of false victories. Cairo Radio and Egypt's Voice of the Arabs (Sawt al-‘Arab) played key roles in this campaign. While the Egyptian authorities later repudiated most of the news transmitted during the war, the story of U.S. "collusion" with Israel became an enduring myth, perpetuated in Egyptian historical writing and textbooks even decades later. Although educated and informed Egyptians may not give credence to the collusion story, it has become part of the Egyptian and Arab collective psyche.

Most accounts of the 1967 war, including recent historiography, mention the "big lie" story in their narratives. Yet, none of these studies has explored its origins and subsequent ramifications.[3] This article, based mainly on archival material, has four aims: first, to explore how and to what end the Egypt of Gamal Abdel Nasser invented the big lie; second, to describe the U.S.-British counter-campaign and the reasons for its failure; third, to analyze the conditions facilitating the fabrication of this story and its subsequent popular acceptance; and fourth, to expose the process by which the story has turned into a living myth in Egypt and the Arab world.[4]

This episode is but one of many examples of the propensity in the Arab world to seek conspiracies. In another example, opinion polls show that a vast majority of Arabs believe that the attacks of September 11, 2001, were the work of Israeli intelligence. Future historians may uncover how that myth arose and who was complicit in its propagation. The merit of studying the 1967 case is that such questions can be answered, thanks to newly opened diplomatic archives. The 1967 episode illuminates the processes at work in many other instances of Arab mythmaking, and why so large a body of opinion remains so totally impervious to fact.

>>The rest of the article follows at the link provided. It is more that 30 pages and is assiduously footnoted.

[softy54534]

I posted articles about Sydney's mufti Sheik Hilaly and his translator Kayser Trad along with the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils which helped cover up his statement ...another good example of lies, lies, lies:

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/com...E25717,00.html


Oh and lets not forget the activities of CAIR in America.