[radikal]

i fully agree with northlander and somewhat with victot but of course not with antizionist nor with newsguy, lomplighter or gatorade.

I just want to rectify the historical incorrectness of the last artcle:

"By 1930, all the land capable of being cultivated by the indigeneous Palestinians with the resources available to them was already under cultivation "
(Frances Newton, Fifty Years in Palestine, Coldharbor, 1940, p. 253).

"it has emerged quite definitely that there is at the present time and with the present methods of Arab cultivation no margin of land available for agricultural settlements by new immigrants"

(Palestine, Report on immigration, land settlement and development, Sir John Hope Simpson, cmnd 3686, His Majesty's Stationery Office, 1930).

Subcommittee II of the Ad Hoc Committee on the Palestinian Question, established in September 1947 issued a report in November 1947 which stated under item 63:

"The village statistics for 1945 prepared by the Palestine administration and showing the position as at 1 April 1945 furnish interesting data regarding land ownership in Palestine. The total Arab land ownership is given in dunums (4 dunums equals approximately 1 acre), as being 12,574,774, as against a total Jewish ownership of 1,491,699. [...] "


Item 64 of that same report stated:
"The above statistics of population and of land ownership prove conclusively that the Arabs constitute a majority of the population of the proposed Jewish State, and own the bulk of the land"
(Source: Doc. C74 UNSCOP Report to the UNGA, Documents on Palestine, vol. 1, pp. 165, PASSIA, December 1997).

[Fegasderty]

Jews have lived in what is now Israel for a couple thousand years.
And at least as far back as 1845, Jews were the majority of the population in Jerusalem.

Just out of curiosity how long does a person have to live in a place to be consider it their native land?

[Big A]

Most Israelis are actually Sephardic not European.

[tgs]

Originally posted by antizionist
what is happening from the israeli side is a barbaric occupation of someone elses home. the 1967 line is also false. you are invaders! let me give you a history lesson... Well, anti-zionist, You're entire message is so off-base, that it would be laughable if not for the fact that so many misinformed and disinformed Arabs seem to believe it.

To begin, your "history lesson" sounds like it was hatched in some al Qaeda Islamic extremist school for junior suicide bombers. Maybe Osama bin Ladin, Arafat bin Ladin, Saddam Hussein or Mullah Omar would buy this distortion of the historical facts, but certainly not anyone who has access to the free Western media.

Nonetheless, we know that the Israeli/Arab dispute is the result of a land dispute and the rise of extremist Islam, which advocates the genocide of all non-Muslims.

As for the Islamic extremist surge, there is nothing really debatable here, other than how to resond to it, so I will leave this topic alone for the moment.

As for the land dispute, I understand your view that the land belongs to the Arabs, although I will respectfully remind you that the Israeli view is that the Arabs are merely squatters in the Jewish homeland. But at the same time, the vast majority of Israelis support peaceful coexistence with a Palestinian state next door, while the vast majority of Palestinians support the Jihad-genocide of the Jewish people.

In any event, I will also respond to your point that Jews should leave Israel and return to Europe by reminding you of 2 things:

1. About 70% of Israelis originate from Arab countries, not from Europe, as most Arabs would like to delude themselves for various reasons.

2. The Palestinians themselves originate from the Saudi Desert, and so it sure would be helpful to end the dispute if they also returned to their native desert patch and vacated the Jewish homeland which they now occupy.

So you see, Mr. anti-zionist, to better understand the conflict which you are apparently very passionate about, you should take some well-meaning advice from a Zionist like me and go get a refund for the al Qaeda history textbooks you purchased.

The money would be much better spent on Internet access where you will be able to read some facts not censored by your Arab dictatorship regimes, nor by your Islamic mullahs in their mad, mad "madrases".

[Ifroham4]

Well. First I might as well say that Im not arab nor Israeli. Im from sweden and Im white middleclass and have no religous belives whatsoever, as most of my fellow countrymen I might add.
I can also assure all you people who dont agree to my opinions that swedish schools and media do NOT teach any al qaeda propaganda. Never the less I must say I share some of antizionists oppinions about race and religion. Jews are not a race, I think we can all agree on that.

It all depends on what you classify as a school doesn’t it?. Although there’s no state sponsored schools that teach Islamic propaganda you have no idea what it thought in the religious schools in the mosques. Europe has 23 Million Muslims and Sweden has its share. Some estimates calculate that around a half are Islamic Fundamentalists in some countries and some 3% +/-to a high of 10 % +/- are prone to violence.

Growing up as a young palestinian is something no westerner can ever relate to.

But you can???? I thought you said you lived in Sweden.


Segment and link to article about Islamic Fundamentalism written by a specialist:


But how many of these people are terrorists, so-called “sleepers,” no one knows. They hide themselves in the above-named organizations, in certain mosque congregations, and in charitable organizations. Despite the fact that the German Office of Constitutional Protection warned of these activities for many years, politicians are only now reacting. After Germany, Tibi claims that Sweden, Holland, and Belgium have the most “sleepers” in Europe.

How widespread is Islamic militancy? According to Tibi, a distinction must be made between “worldview fundamentalists,” who may embrace the hope for Islam’s future supremacy, while rejecting terror—and militant activists or terrorists. In Pakistan for example, Tibi estimates the number of fundamentalists at half the population, but the percentage of those ready to resort to violence is roughly 3-5 percent.

http://www.worldpress.org/europe/0102dagens.htm

Jews are not a race, I think we can all agree on that.

It all depends on how you classify race and in any event what bearing does it have on anything? I don’t think you could argue that they don’t have a distinct identity.


The issue of who has the right to the country seems to be the problem. We would have a real nice little war if also the christian people of europe makes a claim here. As far as I know there have been christians living in the middle east for long time too.

Why only pick on the Middle East I herewith claim Sweden so why don’t we have a war. In any event Christians living in the Middle East isn’t the proplem.




Israel will lose all its support in europe if they keep making war crimes and refuse to obey the resolutions of the UN. I can see it happen right now here. Israeli tourists will have problems abroad. Eventually not even USA will be able to support them and when that day comes I would be very worried if I was an ordinary Israeli in Tel Aviv. Israel is supposed to be a democracy and Sharon therefore has the support from the people. The opinion that spreads around europe now is that in that case most israelis support what happens in Jenin. People get buried alive in their own houses. Children getting shot for doing nothing worse than throwing rocks.

If you have evidence of war crimes hand it in to the UN or Red Cross of course you could always manufacture some. Rocks kill and is considered a weapon therefore anyone that’s assaulted with rocks should be allowed to eliminate it.