[wowwieholmes]

If there is a solid definition it will take someone clever than me to define it. And even then it will be a matter of opinion. This thread could run on and on.

teddy

[niemamczasu]

I'm, uh, happy that I'm not coming off like I've sold out.
That could be because I just haven't configured the shopping cart in my domain yet.
Business is business. It's what you make it, on your end.

nicmead! If we are to get into revealing what selling out is or isn't, for both of us,
I have to start by qualifying you, asking you a question.
What developed talent and instrument do you have, that you feel you should get paid for?
We have to start at the beginning. Every song, and each business, starts there.
I was onstage singing at the age of five. I didn't know selling out. This could get personal.

And teddy! The next time you font up some fabulousness on that laptop, click submit! I'll read it!
Odds are I'll have some kinda commentary.

[55Beaphable]

I have done it several times John, but by accident not on purpose. I find the keyboard too small for my hands. At which point I get angry that I have wasted half an hour of my time and teach the laptop to fly.

teddy

[Anykeylo]

perhaps selling out goes unnoticed in todays music consumer mind set. Perhaps the disconnection between physical music (vinyl, cds) and the consumer has resulted in a decreased perception of its value and thus, meaning that consumers care less about when a band 'sells out'.
Could this be feasible?

[AblemTee]

I think the manufacturing of groups these days is part of the problem. Lack of innate musical ability plus shortcuts to stardom means often there is nothing real to sell out. Make this noise and you will be a star. Now make this noise and you will sell another record seems too often to be the name of the game.

teddy

[alanamosteller]

I think the manufacturing of groups these days is part of the problem. Lack of innate musical ability plus shortcuts to stardom means often there is nothing real to sell out. Make this noise and you will be a star. Now make this noise and you will sell another record seems too often to be the name of the game.

teddy

Bravo, Teddy, I think you've really hit the nail on the head with your observation!

[MyOwnStyle]

nicmead! What you typed about "the disconnect" with consumers and little pieces of plastic that represent music, and the listening experience,
is very astute. I'm probably right in that you could extrapolate on this some more yourself, more than me. Let me get retro.

Imagine someone that a local community likes. Electricity has just been shown, and the first small p.a. has been installed in a local hall.
Everyone takes turns behind the mike, trying this new invention. But the mike really makes one person everyone thinks is the best singer sound even better.
So everyone gets together to listen, and hear a free concert.

But this good singer goes away, and the hall and p.a. are still there, everyone else wanting to earn some time onstage themselves.
This now reduced expectation for hearing the best talent can be equated with listening to plastic without live musicians being there.

This analogy makes sense to me, and I hope it conforms to your logic also.

[mikapoq]

Hi guys along time since I have been on here, been out of the country on work duties.

What have we concluded to then - selling out existing for specific niche genres?

[angelxmagic]

No, it can apply to anyone, but if you start with a manufactured artist or group what is there to sell out.

teddy

[santorio]

No, it can apply to anyone, but if you start with a manufactured artist or group what is there to sell out.

teddy

Teddy, absolutely spot on!

[sessoorale]

sometimes there really are extenuating circumstances behind a band's change in sound. for example, the singer from avenged sevenfold had some issue with his throat that made him incapable of screaming his lyrics like he used to. and instead of finding another singer, they changed their style of music to accomodate his new range...and it just so happened that it led them towards a more commercial sound (bat country).