[GroosteFoessy]

...i've got nine squares.... of course this screams of "the square of nine" but that may be another story, chuckle.

i think of the asteroids as forming a sort of continuous ring around the zodiac. in this case, if one extends the practices of finding aspects to them they may find that we all share so many squares in that we all share the zodiac...that each of us is due in part, squares of nine.

i think of the pyramid as having square geometry in part. at some point (book 3) there was a conclusion shared that there was no "optimal shape" for use in initiation. that the sharing of so much pyramid wisdom was in part due to the goofs related to them.

so maybe this all speaks to the flavor of catalyst that's preferred.


soup

[uaodnabnjz]

...so perhaps, you could be an absolute satanic sloth-schmuck and still get dreams which are interpreted as green ray, spiritual, progressed, yadda....
that's curious, some of the words seem yiddish. today i was considering the words adonis, adoni, adonai - and was surprised that a form of this words seems included in hebrew prayers.

apparently adonis was an early earth god related to the seasonal grains, and part of why i felt triggered by this word is ... the ra materials with the idea of harvest...

anyhow, i think that one tip that can help a person within the dream as within life is to stay present within the now and pay attention. in this way there can be an effect where life itself can seem as a dream. in some way, this may brush upon the idea of perception as illusion short of a reality that exists way beyond the appearance.


soup

[C7JjVczP]

hi. don't get me started on kabbalah! adonai seems to have been coopted numerous times. the root of course is adon; egyptian solar god.
adon = 34 in english cabala. which could be viewed as representing the justice tarot key, which is the letter g. now who uses that glyph!?
in hebrew it's 61 (with vowels)...guess what? = 7 (6+1)
etc...

yeah, living in the now is crucial. i try to catch myself, now. i seem to always be fretting about something.

i'm trying to figure out why lucid dreaming is so elusive. after having had many. it's got a mind of it's own so to speak.

tangent; today is another one of those in your face annoyance days. so many little annoying quirks. to top it off, i went to a nice quiet graveyard for a walk. it's a snowy day here in february ....and what drives in? a f---ing cop. it's this kinda stuff that gets me out of the now moment.....!

[interznakinfo]

yeah i read that whole thing on tips for interpreting dreams like 2-3 times and that helped alot, what i do now is write them down as soon as i wake up, think about them for a bit, and analyze furthur down the road, basically im trying to "learn the dream language" and then once i seem to be halfway decent with that, ill go deep into its meaning.

[MAKEMONEY]

are you guys trying to interpret everything? i mean looking for some deep meaning in every scene. as i mentioned, it seems to be a random seesaw. a few nights ago i dreamed of run down locales and the like. last night i got the opposite. some nights i go downwards and on others i'm traveling upwards.
...all the while nothing in my daily life has changed. no new activities or folks met etc.
it seems some of this is simply reflecting transitory mental/emotional states. say you have a good jam session; you'll get some feedback on that.

i'm not getting lucid and i don't know why. but i still seem to be able to influence my dreams beforehand. how do you interpret a dream you consciously created!?
also, i think i could go back and reinterpret my dreams as some kinda cosmic conspiracy or some such.

hope i'm not sabotaging my efforts but my dreams seem to go nowhere. they simply reflect. just like using a tarot deck; they reflect the question itself!

oh yes, in a dream segment last night i cried because i missed pot! rather, the combined experience of toking and listening to music.
in this, i find myself way more negatively effected by certain foods, lack of sleep and plain old stress. it makes the whole situation laughable.

[wbondarmunw]

somewhere in book two there's mention of the idea of fasting as a means of letting go of less than positive thoughtforms. so the idea of "missing" something may be an example of such conscious programming of catalyst that helps people develop themselves.

another thing that comes to mind is the concept of the "unmanifest being", which apparently is a self generated catalyst form. my impression is that ra made use of this on venus to rapidly evolve through the densities. so i wonder if "dream" could be an example of such "unmanifest being" catalyst.

it may be that part of the advantage to such devices is that one may not be threatened by such things as "karmic entanglement", as if in the interaction of others there may be some jeopardy of falling enslaved by one's own free will in ways that stiffle one's progression.

one of the fruits i discovered in pondering my own yearnings - is that of aligning myself with my higher self, as if there's a chance that my higher self has a better perspective on what "my needs" are and that possibly the state of yearning fulfills some greater need than the state of satisfying the yearning.

this could get into a discussion of the differences between wants and needs - that at some point possibly there's a greater desire for aligning into a harmony with the higher self which opens a person up to an awareness of other needs of some sort or another, difficult to say. possibly, part of this relates to the law of confusion, so please accept my apology if this seems difficult to understand - that misunderstanding may be serving some greater need.


soup

[Muramoursuard]

yes. thanks for responding. you've a nice spirit. i'm aware of everything you say. have been aware for decades.

i'm a 5 planet scorpio. so i like my pleasures. what i'm finding is i'm "losing" them all. it's not only pot...and here it's not pot exclusively. it's that, with music. they go together.
what i miss is that total absorption in music. big deal huh?

but i've also been wrestling with self sex. probably don't need to explain. but i've got to curtail this as it causes serious fatigue now. but what next? there ain't much left!

i am grateful anyway for this stuff is minor. rather this than having to serve on the russian front etc.

more dreams; last night i had a dream where we were in for a huge thunderstorm. the weather reports (or was it rumor?) said that it was going to be the worst ever in the history of the world. but i awoke before anything (tho i got a tad lucid and started to fly around in this little shop before going home).
but then i fell back to sleep and picked up where i left off! i was with a bunch of guys and we had the idea of...generating negative ions and sending them into the sky to divert it.
i awoke. but right before my exwife was talking to the group in a cool metered/poetic way.
but then i went back in and found myself in a braveheart like setting. a scared king gave away his daughter to save the rest of them...

i must admit, some of my dreams lately have been rather different than those throughout my life. but i moved recently. wondering if i'm picking up on someone else's thoughts...

inevitably, always more questions.

i'm almost positive astrological factors plays into all this. that's a given. what i mean is that we don't need to interpret this stuff. all it is is the human mind receiving/playing out the archetypes....

that braveheart like dream could be easily interpreted in some political/historical/quasi-religious etc. way.

not to say it's all gibberish. i've no discipline to do what other folks are doing with this stuff.

[AsmViktor]

this is for all of you posting to this thread: as the thread is currently in law of one thread, i think it is more appropriate for this to move to divine cosmos thread, as we do discuss david's dream analysis. i just wanted you all to understand that i will place a redirect on this to the divine cosmos thread for 2 days, and then this thread will be dropped from the loo thread. (just so you know where to look for it). we also have a dream thread in general discussions that is more generic. chris

[Kdgjhytiy]

...what i miss is that total absorption in music... there's some analogy to music made, early book 3 somewhere - the idea of balancing the energy centers of the body so they can be plucked like strings.


...i'm a 5 planet scorpio... there's a few planets in aquarius now that may offer square transits to natal positions is scorpio. possibly there's a compounding effect running synchronous to other unusual events there.

i think there's astrology mentioned somewhere later in book 3, and i wonder if it relates to the idea of higher self programming catalyst somehow.


...but i've got to curtail this as it causes serious fatigue now... there may be opportunity to transfer energy up from lower energy centers to those that can seem less depleting - green ray practice can be mutually energizing.


soup

[FredderiK]

there's a few planets in aquarius now that may offer square transits to natal positions is scorpio. possibly there's a compounding effect running synchronous to other unusual events there.

>>>>> yeah, i see neptune is in aquarius now. i've this conjunct my sun in scorpio. hence why i'm always lost, on the inside.
{a square is a square but i did read that if the two signs are element compatible it's not as bad. not sure if this holds in all systems}


i think there's astrology mentioned somewhere later in book 3, and i wonder if it relates to the idea of higher self programming catalyst somehow.

>>>>>> i guess this is the bright side if it. i've got nine squares. who here has 9!? i think there's randomness in this. i just happened to incarnate at this time - due to inexperience in the process perhaps. it's just getting caught in the storm so to speak. the wrong place at the wrong time. it could certainly be worse.
it's probably no coincidence that some folks call the planets the archons. it could be a matter of using consciousness to get beyond their influence.
did recently read that bruce lee had 4 planets in scorpio, all squared with pluto! hai!!!!



there may be opportunity to transfer energy up from lower energy centers to those that can seem less depleting - green ray practice can be mutually energizing.

>>>>> this and or i'm just getting old.

[DagoIgnog]

i say the best way to interpret dreams is on an intuitive basis, reconnecting with the feelings and images that surrounded the dream and conceptualizing that within 3d terms. i'm certain that people always omit key things in their dreams that if they shared or even realized the importance of it themselves, the meaning of the dream would fit together seamlessly like a key piece of a puzzle when everything else seems to fall into line. but when you start getting good at it, that key piece the person forgot about or omitted will reveal itself and it will all make make sense.
even though all dreams do arise through your hs as catalysts, this doesn't mean they should be considered as "true". it's quite important as fledgling students in 4d+ existence to exercise awareness, to realize when some dreams are meant to be understood symbolically and non-linearly rather than literally, though i have had dreams that incorporated both precognitively. some dreams can arise through negative influence and interference, but can reveal shadow elements within us that can accelerate our evolution further if we dissect the morsel of inter-personal information in it and apply our findings through experience.
it's up to you to discern what's real and what's not, and what you really believe in. but you've got it within you.

[uphokyhuP]

somewhere in book four about halfway through ra basically says that dreams give you clues to what energy centers are blocked and how you can fix them, and later on they have other functions as well. anyway, i read davids blog on dreams and there was some useful tips i found in it but i still havent been able to use my dreams effectively for growth. ive had alot of cars and vehicles, so i know im making some progress but i dont know exactly how. i dont want to have someone else interpret them for me, id rather learn on my own since i can recall them with good accuracy almost every night. does anyone know of any good sites or books that would help out? thanks abunch!

[TimoDass]

on the old ascension2000 website there was a file made by david with tips on how to interpretate dreams. you can find it here:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/asc2k/files/
it's named "david's handy checklist for dream analysis ". the seth material is also very interesting on dreams, how to deeple explore them, work with them etc.
in the 2 volumes of unknown reality there are many exercices for working with dreams...

greets,
Unknown

[thank you Unknown! that checklist is also in this forum's announcement section]

[SmuffNuSMaxqh]

i read davids blog on dreams and there was some useful tips i found in it but i still havent been able to use my dreams effectively for growth. ive had alot of cars and vehicles, so i know im making some progress but i dont know exactly how. i dont want to have someone else interpret them for me, id rather learn on my own since i can recall them with good accuracy almost every night. does anyone know of any good sites or books that would help out? thanks abunch!

that's great if you can remember them, that's obviously the first step. the next thing is to write them down, because many times you can go back later and decipher some more clues.

the more time you spend on them the more familiar they will become and therefore easier to interpret. they usually have meaning on several levels, so occasionally you will get the most important meaning after the initial interpretation.

another thing is that the dream symbols have different meaning for different people, so it's important to understand what they mean to you.

david wrote a great blog article on dreams called dreams of ascension.
and here's the link to david's suggestions for dream analysis.

here david talks about dreams on coast to coast radio.
...to really connect with your higher self, remember that every morning you are being given a huge treasure chest with gold doubloons in it. that is from the deep sea of your subconscious mind in dreams.

a lot of people say, “well, i never remember a dream.” the point is that if you wake up in the morning before the alarm goes off – you can set your alarm a little later than is necessary, just so you have the time – don’t move when you wake up.

stay perfectly still in bed. let yourself wake up slowly.

most people nowadays are in the habit of just slamming themselves awake. all of the cool things that led to my being able to do readings came as a result of waking up slowly in the morning, observing my mind and just paying attention to it.

if you wake up in the morning and you can remember a dream, try to remember as much of it as you can and then write it down. dreams are a symbolic communication from your higher self. they will always be the most important thing you need to know.

the key is deciphering it. you may need to gather that data for a length of time before you’ll start making sense out of it. but, at the same time that you can remember new details in the dream, when you are waking up and really groggy, you can start paying attention to all these little snapshots of data that are showing up in your mind.

you can start to notice that you don’t have to exert any effort to think about them. they just float up out of nowhere.

a lot of people just discard that as imagination, but that is precisely what remote viewers are tapping into when they are doing remote viewing. it’s what i tap into when i am doing a reading.

the more you go in and listen to it, write it down and document what it is saying, no matter how crazy it sounds – because a lot of it will sound schizophrenic in the beginning – just write it down, [and it will gradually become clearer and more coherent].

you want to be your own best skeptic. you do not want to assume that everything you say is true, or that it is all coming from the right place.

you want to gather that data. that’s where, sooner or later, if you really want to practice this, and you really want to run with the ball, you can open up a direct communication with your higher self.

a lot of the protocols of how to make sure it doesn’t go to the negative side are actually in george’s book, worker in the light, which again i say is a great book, because he actually gives those protocols.

[the most important protocol is to be in a state of uplifting gratitude while seeking the information – never angry, sad or depressed. do not analyze or attempt to understand any of the data, just write it down. try not to have any emotional reaction to what you are getting.

also make sure your physical body is not in any distress – not thirsty, hungry, in physical pain or needing to go to the bathroom. just concentrate on the deepest meditation you can get, and try to record the data as clearly as possible without analysis.]

[6M8PJigS]

awesome guys! thanks a million, that definetly sets the stage for me pretty well. ive been recording them almost every night now for the past week or so, now i can finally make some progress!!
peace be with you my friends

[Tuqofiw]

could be selling myself short but i don't write them down anymore. what i do now is ponder the dreams from the night before on and off throughout the next day.
the stuff i've written down is still so abstract and all over the place.

it's more of a gradual understanding of how a (ie any) subconcious speaks.

ha, last night i saw this huge machine like hand come up out of the ground. it moved over to another spot and crashed back into the ground. i just sensed incredible power. was a bit wary but it seemed more of a, helping hand. it was light blue.

oh, to me, now, it certainly seems as if lucid dreams might be heavily influenced by factors without.
i had two straight nights of lucidity last week. i thought my whole dream life was going to change. but i have'nt had anything since. further and annoyingly, my recent dreams (like above) have totally impossible imagery; stuff which should be a trigger to "awake".

edit; wow, just read the suggestions for analysis. now this might give reason to write down dreams. good meat.
otoh, from what i see, it just goes on and on to nowhere. you get good dreams with good signs and the opposite. what i mean here is that in general, (while one is having all these variations), everything seems basically the same on the outside.
a good percentage of this is simply the events of the day. like a movie scene, a book, something you saw at work etc.

still it's happening. it's a long haul...

[Qauunet]

have been noting my dreams these past few days. as indicated, it seems i (and assuming we) just fluctuate betwixt the various levels. one night i can be in lowly places doing nothing but observing. while the next night i can be on top a huge mountain playing with a dog (while watching some guy float by with an airbag contraption) . etc.

the devil may be in the details. ie., in the above i thought i was headed to the beach; as in sea level. but when we arrived we found ourselves way up on a hill - tho not having traveled upwards. i was all of a sudden looking down at a vast landscape by the sea.

my point tho, again, is that this stuff seems to change while nothing in my outside life has changed. to, it seems you can even intend a more "spiritual" or higher frequency dream.

now what does that make of things?

i did have the thought that all this may indeed have to do with which part of your brain is in gear. as in the amygdala. if you're clicked forward you're going to have higher type dreams (however manifested).
so perhaps, you could be an absolute satanic sloth-schmuck and still get dreams which are interpreted as green ray, spiritual, progressed, yadda.

welcome to the matrix...again.

[NADALA]

greetings,

i was hoping to have a discussion on the meaning of dreams when you sleep at night. i've had some pretty intense dreams that left me waking up and crying and i have no idea if they're supposed to indicate something significant or not.

god bless

[ATTILAGLIC]

looked and read, it ain't in there or here...
my wife screamed for my help, i went into 'her' dream, and had a physical encounter.
the place was interesting, the walls and ceiling were made of fog, and the floor was either concrete or a large slab of stone.
no indication of inside or out.
the 'fog' looked just like fog should.
the humanoids were faceless except for the eyes, almost exactly like the fighters in mortal combat.
the above does not fit anywhere in any dream books or what is on this site, as far as i can tell...
kind of leaves me at a loss as to how to look at the dream.
first, it was my wife's dream, not mine. second, we were both grabbed by the lead entity (bruises). third, this lead entity stated they (about 6 of them) were there for my wife not me.
my wife said no, it grabbed me and her and that was when i defended both of us.
as i said, it just doesn't fit or make any real sense according to analysis or interpretation, etc.
a real explanation would be great...
is this mine, my wife's, or something else?

[bobibnoxx]

i would say it is your wifes