[Ervins Dervish]

Since this one started in a different thread, what are your views on taking a dog from the owner without their knowledge?

I say that there ARE times when it's called for and needed but you have to know when it isn't. It's not necessarily a bad thing to me, sometimes the dogs are better off in a shelter than with their original owners. Other times it's a worse idea to take them and a better idea to simply try to explain the situation to the owners and see if they are willing to change it.

[XinordiX]

Sometimes if AC wont do anything its not the worse thing you could do..we will say a friend of mine lol once took a super sucked up dog that was covered in scars and you could tell had been kicked in the face. He saw the dog one day then saw the dog get beat and that night lured it to the fence with a snack hopped the fence handed it over to another person tossed it in the back of the truck and then took it home.. got it fattened up and in good health and then gave it to a friend who still has it to this day.

[FYIbiatches]

The problem here is that then people will be claiming "Oh the dog was being abused" when really it was just on a chainspot, or the owners use a prong collar. Unfortunately *most* of John Q public cannot make educated decisions on the matter of animal abuse...HELLO have you ever talked to a PETA person lol.

If the dog is being abused *in your eyes*, then the responsible thing to do is call AC, if you know the dog will be put down and it is in good temperament, then offer to take the dog...or find it a good home..if you cannot do that...then the best thing for the dog is for it to be put down.
Two wrongs don't make a right, and even if we don't agree with the law all the time...it is still the law.

[XinordiX]

yea i dont understand how a chain or pronged collar are dog abuse? but i guess to each his own

[TNgqZhLR]

Dogs are property. You can not take someone else's property without permission. That's called stealing and it is illegal.

[Peter Hill]

Part of being an ambassador to our breed is not being a criminal. You're not helping the bull breed (if you own one) as a whole by stealing a dog. If you're caught, the courts are more than likely going to side with the owner of the dog. You're better off building a case via the authorities or media (if necessary) than breaking the law yourself.

Stealing someone's dog makes you no better than the alleged abuser. You're both breaking the law.

[FYIbiatches]

yea i dont understand how a chain or pronged collar are dog abuse? but i guess to each his own

you may think that or see it that way...but Tom Dick and Harry may disagree. Many people are not competent enough to make decisions like that.

[Tarrccrys]

I did,once. It wasn't a matter of prong collars or chain spots. The dog was left in a shed ankle deep in it's own shit on a three foot chain in the middle of winter. You could see literally every bone in her body. I did talk to the owner,who was home about two days out of the week. I told her that I went back there and untangled the dog's chain, and fed and watered her. I also explained that is was a very real possibility that the dog would freeze to death. I told her that if she didn't want the pup,that I would be more than happy to take her and find her a home. The dumb bitch just laughed and said "I forgot that the dog was even back there. But,I can't give her away cus she's my (five year old)daughter's dog". She was a pit bull and if I called AC,it would have been automatic euth. So,fuck yeah I took her,and I don't feel the least bit bad about it.

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It wasn't the first,last,or worse thing I did to earn the title "criminal" .

[Ervins Dervish]

The problem here is that then people will be claiming "Oh the dog was being abused" when really it was just on a chainspot, or the owners use a prong collar. Unfortunately *most* of John Q public cannot make educated decisions on the matter of animal abuse...HELLO have you ever talked to a PETA person lol.

If the dog is being abused *in your eyes*, then the responsible thing to do is call AC, if you know the dog will be put down and it is in good temperament, then offer to take the dog...or find it a good home..if you cannot do that...then the best thing for the dog is for it to be put down.
Two wrongs don't make a right, and even if we don't agree with the law all the time...it is still the law.

Yet I've seen some AC and shelters/rescues that even when they find a dog that is obviously abused and not being cared for they cannot take it because of the law. So the dog either sit in the same position or comes up 'missing'. Also, a loose dog not on someones property with no identification can't actually be stolen, according to law. It is simply taken as a stray until known otherwise, which is entirely legal.

[Peter Hill]

yea i dont understand how a chain or pronged collar are dog abuse? but i guess to each his own

HSUS, PETA, ALF, etc etc.

All these types of groups this it's okay to steal a dog because you do something with it that they don't agree with.. Including and surely not limited to: Weight pull, hunting, ear cropping, chaining, kenneling outdoor, outside dogs, raw feeding, spring/flirt pole... The list goes on..

[crazuMovies]

Part of being an ambassador to our breed is not being a criminal. You're not helping the bull breed (if you own one) as a whole by stealing a dog. If you're caught, the courts are more than likely going to side with the owner of the dog. You're better off building a case via the authorities or media (if necessary) than breaking the law yourself.

Stealing someone's dog makes you no better than the alleged abuser. You're both breaking the law.

This this THIS.


The issue with the word "abuse" is that there is no clear 100% agreed on view of it and with so many grey areas on what does and does not constitute as abuse, that leaves a lot of people that try to justify stealing animals in the name of saving them from abuse.

How would you like it if some animal rights nut saw you doing weight pull with your dog, or walking it with a prong collar, or putting it on a chain spot, or running your dog on a treadmill, or saw your dog working it's spring pole, decided that was abuse, and then took it from you?

No matter how you try to justify it, stealing someone's animal makes you look like a jackass

[OvDojQXN]

what LL said, dogs are property and it would be stealing. That said if a dog is running loose or something but you know the owner I see nothing wrong with taking that animal to AC since its a threat to itself and others (not saying ganna bite but say a car swerves and hits a child or something) anyhow since the GP don't know what proper containment and control is its to dangerous to think its ok to take someones property without there knowledge

[Ervins Dervish]

HSUS, PETA, ALF, etc etc.

All these types of groups this it's okay to steal a dog because you do something with it that they don't agree with.. Including and surely not limited to: Weight pull, hunting, ear cropping, chaining, kenneling outdoor, outside dogs, raw feeding, spring/flirt pole... The list goes on..

Yeah I LOVE those groups.. When mine are conditioned I constantly have neighbors and sometimes rescues chasing me about my dogs being emaciated. I'm dreading the crop I plan to do on my next pup, they'll have a heart attack for it.

[enfoires]

sometimes tho ac or police wont come out for abused dogs i know this from experience. I called once and they said o sorry you live to far out to do anything. police said same thing so the dog ended up dying

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I think its ok to steal a dog if their in the situation above the dog died because Noone would help it. Not police or AC

[crazuMovies]

Yeah I LOVE those groups.. When mine are conditioned I constantly have neighbors and sometimes rescues chasing me about my dogs being emaciated. I'm dreading the crop I plan to do on my next pup, they'll have a heart attack for it.

And if someone took your dog from you because of these reasons it would be considerably less than okay, correct?

[OvDojQXN]

I think when you have a situation like that you better take a ton of photos that have time stamps on them and take them to AC so they know your going to snag this dog for them

[Peter Hill]

sometimes tho ac or police wont come out for abused dogs i know this from experience. I called once and they said o sorry you live to far out to do anything. police said same thing so the dog ended up dying

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I think its ok to steal a dog if their in the situation above the dog died because Noone would help it. Not police or AC

What would you do if you were caught and arrested?

[enfoires]

well how would you feel if you had to watch a dog die bcuz ac nor police would help it.

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ill simply say the dog would have died and that i tried calling the authoritys and they didnt do anything so i took action and ill take it to the shelter or rescue center

[FYIbiatches]

What would you do if you were caught and arrested?

People don't think like that silly...it's all spur of the moment!

[enfoires]

you would do the same thing destinoscelgo if ac and police said sorry but we cant help the dog. What would you do leave the dog there to die