[DebtDetox]

Today diesel had his first non playing, fully aggressive fight. It was the first time I've ever been scared he would get seriously injured or hurt another dog. I met a guy with a boxer/staffordshire bull terrier X and they got on really well, chasing and wrestling each other. The owner was really nice to so we walked together, a bit later they had a slight argument over a stick but we quickly put then on leads and took the stick out of the situation. We let them off again and they were cool..... But then came another stick. That was it, they both went into kill mode and you could tell it was serious, we got them off each other pretty quickly. But they were both limping, though there were no visible cuts or blood. I think we got there just in time, sorry pretty boring story but it was damn scary..I can diesel has the potential to kill.

[OWDavid]

Glad your boy is okay. Do you have a breakstick? I'd invest in a good one if you don't. How long did you know this other person before letting your dog play off-leash with it?

[AdobebePhoto]

Just another story of insisting on "playmates". Just some FYI.....every dog, except little ankle biters, have the ability to kill.

[MasTaBlau]

Wow! I'm glad it wasn't worse. Nothing like fighting over a stick.

[hotelhyatt]

who was winning?

[expabsPapsgag]

I am glad that it ended the way it did and not worse!

As suggested already, you should definitely purchase a break-stick if you do not have one already. They're a VERY important tool for anyone who keeps these dogs.
You can order them from Stillwater Kennel Supply for something like $12 including shipping.

Also, as unoriginal asked, how long did you know this person and their dog before you allowed yours to play off leash?
I don't mean to sound rude and I apologize if I do, but you need to be very careful in deciding who's dog(s) you allow yours to interact with. Not everyone is level-headed enough to assume there are risks in letting dogs play together and even if they are not everyone reacts so maturely when one of these risks becomes a reality. Because of your breed of choice, you're faced with vast liability in such situations, so it's essential to use proper judgement and cautious prevention.

[aAaBecker]

Glad both Dogs were ok. I just can`t afford nor want any of my dogs to get into that kind of situation again, even if they are both my dogs. I have made that mistake in the past with a 1year 8month old who i thought as still a Pup and my old bitch (his grandmother), when walking both together. It just did`nt look too good on a Sunday morning as the "flock" were entering church next to the wood where we had just been for a walk and me trying to tie the bitch off to the church fence while the Church goers watched me use a breaking-stick to get the PUP off , then leave the blooded bitch there tied up untill i returned after taking the PUP home. Lesson learned FFRP fo myself

[DebtDetox]

Not sure that was helpful boogie fella. Yeah my bad it was the first time I'd met the owner, I'm normally very careful... I only let him play with a spaniel (that diesel first met when he was 6 months:who is very highly strung and told dizzle off many times when he was a pup. In fact dizzle doesn't try to play rough with him at all, they simply chase each other.and I know the owner pretty well) and my girlfriend's parents staffordshire bull Terriers. It's just the guy was super nice and he asked if they could play and during the test run they were cool together. Bad move I don't do it again. Breaksticks sounds like agood idea

[rostpribru]

Well glad everything resulted to be ok, but I simply cannot wrap my head around pitbull owners desiring or fully willing to allow playmates. Even if my girl was not DA as she has turned out to be, I wouldn't take chances with this. It's completely unnecessary for these dogs to have playmates. Do invest into a breakstick as others have mentioned.

[DebtDetox]

Yeah fair, I will say I'm in the UK. And was told when I first got diesel he was staff cross and it wasn't intill it was suggested by a lot of people he was apbt and I researched it that I realised despite not knowing ped or having papers that it was extremely likely he was apbt. So yeah I won't do it again, hes good playing with me

[OWDavid]

I forgot you're in the UK with an illegal, banned dog. I'm honestly surprised you allowed this to happen.

[payowlirriply]

Consider this an important lesson learned with not too hefty a price to pay.

Hades is reactive, not aggressive and even still I am very strict about dogs' he's allowed to play with offleash. Some dogs are great, very well behaved, but I know their personalities just won't mesh. I could count on one hand the dogs that are clear for him to play with.

As Sabrina said, letting him loose with someone you just met is pretty risky as well. Who knows if this guy turns around and calls the cops or animal control. I'd be keeping an eye out my front door for the next few days.

If anyone asks again, just tell them your dog doesn't play well with others and leave it at that!

[DebtDetox]

Ha thanks, paranoia. Nah its ok he was a big northern guy(which actually won't mean much to you) and I certainly didn't say he was apbt, he also didn't blame me and took responsibility for his dog. It takes two to tango. But yeah I put my hands up, guilty I was wrong..I won't do it again. But understand here in the UK, the apbt isn't a breed, not officially, with the understanding you have in the states. This country is full of "ghetto" kids with staffs, apbt mixes etc, most people think a apbt is a huge staffordshire with pointy ears and people don't get it, we need them to be legal and accepted into the kennel Club so things can be sorted out. and I have not grown up with the same awareness of this breed. But I am learning.

[OWDavid]

Ha thanks, paranoia. Nah its ok he was a big northern guy(which actually won't mean much to you) and I certainly didn't say he was apbt, he also didn't blame me and took responsibility for his dog. It takes two to tango. But yeah I put my hands up, guilty I was wrong..I won't do it again. But understand here in the UK, the apbt isn't a breed, not officially, with the understanding you have in the states. This country is full of "ghetto" kids with staffs, apbt mixes etc, most people think a apbt is a huge staffordshire with pointy ears and people don't get it, we need them to be legal and accepted into the kennel Club so things can be sorted out. and I have not grown up with the same awareness of this breed. But I am learning.

If this was directed toward me (there's a quote button that helps), might I draw your attention to your previous post in which you called him an APBT. Please make up your mind.. Is he a Staff or isn't he?

Yeah fair, I will say I'm in the UK. And was told when I first got diesel he was staff cross and it wasn't intill it was suggested by a lot of people he was apbt and I researched it that I realised despite not knowing ped or having papers that it was extremely likely he was apbt. So yeah I won't do it again, hes good playing with me

Me, paranoid?? You're damn right I am, I would assume you would be even moreso that I am, as you live in an area directly affected by BSL. BSL is not near my area. But yes, I do act in a "paranoid" fashion, I suppose but that's because I've seen what happens when one person gets their panties in a bunch over my breed of choice. As said in other threads, all it takes is 1. 1 person, 1 neighbor, 1 police officer, 1 call and it could all be over for your dog or mine.

I'm glad you're taking responsibility for your actions and I hope you see the severity of the situation. I also hope you are serious in taking care to not allow it to happen again. I just can't wrap my head around allowing any dog to play with some random dog off leash.

One of my dogs loves 99% of dogs and he has on occasion been able to play with random dogs we come across on the street. The difference is that he is ALWAYS on his leash and I'm ALWAYS within 6' of him. I would just never dream of allowing him to play with a strange dog off-leash and out of my direct control.

[DumnEuronoumn]

Aren't the other APBT type dogs such as the Staffies and various Bull and Terrier dogs still legal there commonly DA? I know a good chunk of the terrier breeds and the various breeds that fall under our umbrella term "Pit Bull" like all of the Staffie types are known for a propensity toward DA here. So, even a "staffie mix" shouldn't be with other dogs without very careful consideration.

[DebtDetox]

Oh no diesel is most probably the breed.... apbt. I meant I didn't say to the owner of the other dog he was

[DumnEuronoumn]

Right, I got that. What I was pointing out is even if he wasn't and was some other type of bull and terrier dog he still should not be trusted with strange dogs. Most dogs descending from bull and terrier stock tend toward high prey drive and DA.

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But at least you know now that Diesel does not play well with others. My sister and brother in law had their female and my brothers male playing fetch in their yard. They got into it over a stick and ended up at the vet. Diamond had 19 stitches to repair her leg and the scar is pretty horrendous. Talk about learning the hard way! They're lucky that was all they had to cope with and they so should have known better!

[DebtDetox]

Also sorry, it was a direct response to everyone hence not using quotations. And to be honest some staffordshires are fine and some not, quite personal to the breed.

[OWDavid]

Oh no diesel is most probably the breed.... apbt. I meant I didn't say to the owner of the other dog he was

Your dog doesn't care what breed the other dog is or isn't. All he cares about is that he doesn't like that other dog, be it over a stick, food, or nothing at all.

[Rugda]

I would never let one of my dogs loose with another dog neither to
Other of my dogs




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