[DagoIgnog]

Okay, I figured this was the best place to put this.

I was at my Aunt's today. A friend of hers was telling me that she has a beagle/lab mix, and that some people think it has "pit bull". Then she goes on to say that they want to breed him to a 'pit bull' because her daughter likes to say he is part 'pit bull' so (in her own words), "I told her why don't we make his puppies half pit bull." I said why in the world would you breed him, especially to a pit bull? She said, "Because we want to have little Snoopy puppies, and then they will be half pit bull." I said, "That doesn't make any sense," then she ignored me and started talking to someone else.

Later she brings up that my cousin has his GSD at my Aunt's the other day, and that the GSD was in heat, and her dog kept trying to get to her (surprise), and that my cousin told her that his GSD wouldn't get pregnant because she didn't want to get pregnant. I said "Why would you bring a female in heat out? I keep mine in the barn." The lady looked at me like I was a jerk, and decided to talk to someone else again. I just couldn't believe all the dumb things I heard.

It makes you wish there was a Spay Ray Gun. ZZZZAAAAPPP! And not just for use on dogs.


Where's that miraculous flying car, Jetsons future we were promised as kids?!

[Imagimifouxum]

I get irritated when people question me on whether or not I'm going to get my dogs fixed. Originally I was, but if I want to produce a litter in my back yard, who are they to look down on me? One lady at the pet shop, said, "there are already so many Pitbulls in the shelter." What does that have to do with me?

The other thing that's irritating is when you tell someone you got your dog from a backyard breeder, then they start trying to scare you with health problems, ect...I ran into a so-called "dog trainer" at the park who was trying to get my business, but I felt insulted when she started flapping her jaws about "backyard" breeders, ect. My blue nose was bred in a backyard, but still has papers and both parents are "Purple Ribbon" with the UKC...You don't have to pay $3,000 for a dog with good bloodlines...JMO

[11Woxsepmoomo]

I get irritated when people question me on whether or not I'm going to get my dogs fixed. Originally I was, but if I want to produce a litter in my back yard, who are they to look down on me? One lady at the pet shop, said, "there are already so many Pitbulls in the shelter." What does that have to do with me?

The other thing that's irritating is when you tell someone you got your dog from a backyard breeder, then they start trying to scare you with health problems, ect...I ran into a so-called "dog trainer" at the park who was trying to get my business, but I felt insulted when she started flapping her jaws about "backyard" breeders, ect. My blue nose was bred in a backyard, but still has papers and both parents are "Purple Ribbon" with the UKC...You don't have to pay $3,000 for a dog with good bloodlines...JMO

Your pet quality dogs would produce the same pet quality animals that are currently sitting in shelters...that's why people make the reference.

BYBs don't health test,don't prove their dogs through work or showing...meaning the likelihood of health issues is higher.There is no proof the dogs are of sound health,meaning there is no way of knowing what genetic issues may be passed on.

Purple Ribbon means nothing more than a certain number of generations have been registered with the UKC.It does not prove quality in any way.

Blue nose means nothing.If referring to the dog in your avatar,I'd guess American Bully over Pit Bull.

Price also has nothing to do with quality...

[DagoIgnog]

Just to clarify, Purple Ribbons don't mean squat.

I'm not going to flap my jaws about BYBs. Someone already got the dog, money has changed hands, and I bet if you take the dog back to the "breeder", odds are they would pretend they weren't home till you left. Getting a BYB dog means accepting the risks.

The amount of pit bulls in shelters has everything to do with every pit bull owner because we own the dogs. Some owners breed the damn things when they have no reason to breed them (dog hasn't proven itself, it's just pretty). Some owners are friends with these people, and have to at least try to talk them out of it. Owners and enthusiasts have to educate in order to work towards hopefully someday solving the overpopulation problem.

And people question owners on fixing their dogs because so many people are completely incapable of keeping intact dogs of the opposite sex separated when a female is in heat. This leads to all the oops litters you see around (don't believe me? Check out CL). Or people use oops litters as an excuse to sling pups.

[bug_user]

"if I want to produce a litter in my back yard, who are they to look down on me? One lady at the pet shop, said, "there are already so many pitbulls in the shelter." What does that have to do with me?"

That has to be the quote of the year right there!

It has to do with you because if your a byb then you are adding to the problem. I noticed your in SoCal. Roughly 200 pitbulls are killed each day in Los Angeles alone because there are not enough homes for the ever-growing population of unwanted dogs in that area. 50% of all the dogs in shelters in LA are pitbulls that will most likely end up euthanized.

Pitbulls are currently the number one bred dog in the United States but are also one of the hardest breeds to find responsible homes for. It is estimated that there is a current average of 3 million Pit Bulls living in the United States and only 1 in 600 will successfully find a forever home. Sadly, for every 1 pitbull placed in a good home there are 599 killed. That statistic unfortunately does not exclude puppies!

The total number of cats and dogs euthanized by shelters annually is 3-4 million! It is estimated that 1 million of those dogs are pitbulls.

75% of shelters nationwide will euthanize all pitbulls entering the facility without ever giving them a chance to be adopted; some more lenient organizations may give the dogs a 24 hour grace period before administering the lethal injection. A study done by Animal People reports that the pitbull euthanasia rate in shelters is at approximately 93% on average which means that ultimately only 7% of all homeless pitbulls in America will find a "forever" home.

Surely you can see how over-breeding has negatively affected the lives of so many pitbulls. BYB pitbull breeders are directly responsible for a significant percentage of the estimated 1 million pitbulls killed by euthanasia each year nationwide. Now I ask, why breed or buy a house pet while so many homeless dogs die? It's a free country(yah right) so you can do whatever you want and that is why I will look down on BYB's. But please at least educate yourself. The only thing I agree with is when you say, "You don't have to pay $3,000 for a dog with good bloodlines"


Purple Ribbons mean nothing were the parents health tested? Are your dogs health tested if you do plan on breeding?

[gypearteday]

Its not right for a BYB to breed any breed. People shouldn't breed unless they are doing it the correct way and for a purpose. Pit bull types/mixes are all over. They are the the #1 breed in shelters and put down.

Education on BYBs:
http://www.pbrc.net/breeding3.html

[Imagimifouxum]

Your pet quality dogs would produce the same pet quality animals that are currently sitting in shelters...that's why people make the reference.

BYBs don't health test,don't prove their dogs through work or showing...meaning the likelihood of health issues is higher.There is no proof the dogs are of sound health,meaning there is no way of knowing what genetic issues may be passed on.

Purple Ribbon means nothing more than a certain number of generations have been registered with the UKC.It does not prove quality in any way.

Blue nose means nothing.If referring to the dog in your avatar,I'd guess American Bully over Pit Bull.

Price also has nothing to do with quality...

Are you saying the only puppies that should be bought are ones whos parents are show dogs or work dogs? What kind of genetic issues are you referring to? What if you know that the parents, grandparents, and the great grandparents are very healthy and have zero genetic issues?

Have any of you had a dog that was from the litter of a friend, family member, ect? Is that acceptable to own such a "problematic" dog? What kind of breeder do you recommend buying from? Are you talking about strictly buying from a kennel?

It seems like it's socially acceptable to buy a Golden Retriever from a back yard breeder, but not a Pitbull? You know how many families buy a Golden Retriever or Maltese Terrier, or a Cocker Spaniel for their kids, but then the kids don't play with it?

I have a friend who asked me the other day if I know anybody who wants a full blooded German Sheppard puppy who is only 4 days old? The parents are onsite, and this is their second litter in less then 8 months! She's doesn't even want to sell them and is giving them for free. She just wants them to have good homes. She says the litter was an accident, but people don't call her a slimy "backyard" breeder...just sayin'

[gypearteday]

Are you saying the only puppies that should be bought are ones whos parents are show dogs or work dogs? What kind of genetic issues are you referring to? What if you know that the parents, grandparents, and the great grandparents are very healthy and have zero genetic issues?

Have any of you had a dog that was from the litter of a friend, family member, ect? Is that acceptable to own such a "problematic" dog? What kind of breeder do you recommend buying from? Are you talking about strictly buying from a kennel?

It seems like it's socially acceptable to buy a Golden Retriever from a back yard breeder, but not a Pitbull? You know how many families buy a Golden Retriever or Maltese Terrier, or a Cocker Spaniel for their kids, but then the kids don't play with it?

I have a friend who asked me the other day if I know anybody who wants a full blooded German Sheppard puppy who is only 4 days old? The parents are onsite, and this is their second litter in less then 8 months! She's doesn't even want to sell them and is giving them for free. She just wants them to have good homes. She says the litter was an accident, but people don't call her a slimy "backyard" breeder...just sayin'

Its not okay to buy a dog from a BYB that breeds ANY breed. You do not know if the dogs have health issues if they have no been tested. Vet checks and guess work don't count. Just because a dog looks and seems healthy doesn't mean they are not prone to issues or carry them.

[MyOwnStyle]

Too many people take the term "Backyard bred" literally. It doesn't mean if someone literally breeds the dog in their backyard, if that were the case, the majority of dogs would be "backyard bred". It means people who breed for the wrong reasons, i.e. not breeding to better the breed.

I.e. I did a backyard breeding. My two dogs were just good pets, and I bred them. It was an Irresponsible breeding aka "backyard breeding". Are they good dogs? Yes. Do I still love them? Yes. Does that make the breeding any less Irresponsible? No.

[ephennaCypota]

Are you saying the only puppies that should be bought are ones whos parents are show dogs or work dogs? What kind of genetic issues are you referring to? What if you know that the parents, grandparents, and the great grandparents are very healthy and have zero genetic issues?

Yes, it is best to buy a pup from show or working parents. Why? Because the whole point to breeding purebred dogs is to preserve a certain look, ability and personality traits. You find if a particular dog has that look and/or ability by testing them against other dogs in the show ring or a working competition. If you aren't buying for that then you might as well get a mutt from the shelter.


What genetic issues? Hip dysplasia is the big one. Hip dyspalsia can be inherited from a healthy dog that carries the gene, so knowing the parents are ok doesn't prove squat.

So what if the parents and grandparents are good dogs? There are tons of healthy good dogs in shelters of any given breed. Don't breed or buy unless the dogs have proven they are breed worthy in the show or competition ring and have had all breed appropriate genetic health testing done.

Have any of you had a dog that was from the litter of a friend, family member, ect? Is that acceptable to own such a "problematic" dog? What kind of breeder do you recommend buying from? Are you talking about strictly buying from a kennel?

Yes, I have a dog that was from my brothers friends litter. I inherited her when my brother could no longer afford to pay her vet bills. She had ear problems likely brought on by allergies (which can be inherited), she has hormone imbalance, she has a heart murmur, random hair loss and regrowth around her ears and on the top of her head in a small spot and is very clingy. Without those problems she also has obvious physical faults that would get her laughed out of a show ring. I love her, but if I would have been buying a dog I certainly wouldn't have wanted one from that BYB simply because he breeds dogs that havent proven breed worthy and people who have his pups get to pay the vet bills. If I ever get to meet the guy who bred Rita I would cheerfully wring his neck.

I recommend buying from a breeder that works and/or shows their dogs, does genetic health testing and has the papers to prove it and has a contract saying they will take the pup back if sometime in its life the buyer cannot keep the dog. Some kennels are horrible and so are some breeders, so I wouldn't say that someone should just buy from a kennel.

It seems like it's socially acceptable to buy a Golden Retriever from a back yard breeder, but not a Pitbull? You know how many families buy a Golden Retriever or Maltese Terrier, or a Cocker Spaniel for their kids, but then the kids don't play with it?

Anyone buying a dog just "for the kids" and who don't get that A) the kids need to be made to live up to the responsibility and B) the adults will have to pck up the slack are idiots.

No, It is NOT acceptable to buy from a BYB no matter what breed of dog. I got into it at a pet store when a lady in line was trying to solicit a breeding with the dog of another lady in line. The first lady had her dog with her and it was a mess of a temperamentally unstable Labrador. I told her I thought her dog should probably be put down for HA and that breeding it to make little unstable pups was retarded.

I have a friend who asked me the other day if I know anybody who wants a full blooded German Sheppard puppy who is only 4 days old? The parents are onsite, and this is their second litter in less then 8 months! She's doesn't even want to sell them and is giving them for free. She just wants them to have good homes. She says the litter was an accident, but people don't call her a slimy "backyard" breeder...just sayin'

Uhh, I call her a slimy backyard breeder. If you are too stupid and irresponsible to either fix your dogs or keep them carefully confined and away from each other to prevent a litter you are a backyard breeder. Getting money for your shitty BYB pups isn't the only criteria for being considered a slimy BYB.

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