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Old 04-06-2010, 02:50 PM   #1
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i agree that there are warning signs, yet people fail to recognized them.
also people are in a place called DENIAL about their unstable dogs "buuut, he/she's NEVER done this before" and/or having bleeding hearts, who will NOT PTS/euthanize the dogs, because of "i had my dog since she/he was a puppy. i love him/her, he/she's my child." type bullshit.

RIP APBT owner
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Old 04-06-2010, 03:06 PM   #2
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It amazes me how many people own dogs and have no idea how to interpret and read their dogs' body language. of course Cujo turn on his owner, you know dogs live happy happy lives and one day they just wake up and dang "I am going to eat my owner" just like the killers on forensic files
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Old 04-06-2010, 03:35 PM   #3
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yeah i know, i seriously had enough!!
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Old 04-06-2010, 04:41 PM   #4
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over here in england in the early 90,s there was a very well known sporting dog who turned on his owner.....several of us were there at the time and to this day it was the single most frightening thing ive experienced with these dogs......the whole situation only lasted about 90 seconds 20 of which saw 3 supposedly big tough men stood rooted to the spot in fear......to this day i will never forgive myself for not reacting quicker fortunately the owner made almost a complete recovery but i remember it like it was yesterday.

seeing one of these dogs go wrong is a real test on the love and respect we have for them and it needs remembering they are just flesh and bone the same as we are.
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:00 PM   #5
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Yesterday my mother told me a story she read in the paper a few days ago, I tried to find it online but couldn't. It is a story we have all heard before, after years of being happy and loving their owner, two APBT's turned on their owner and killed him.

I wanted to post this and have others weigh in on what really happens in these situations. I doubt that two dogs that were happy, never a problem, loved their owner, would one day turn on him for no reason at all (regardless of the breed of the dog). Is it bad breeding? Was the owner maybe abusing them?

What does everyone think?
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:05 PM   #6
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Go to the understand-a-bull website & check out the "all dogs bite" page. You can find TONS of instances of dogs of other breeds who did the same thing. It's not about the breed but rather the breedER.

Peace & happiness!
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:19 PM   #7
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Often it isn't that a dog has suddenly just "turned" against its owner. It's that the owner had not recognized all the warning signs before the bite or attack.
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:21 PM   #8
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Often it isn't that a dog has suddenly just "turned" against its owner. It's that the owner had not recognized all the warning signs before the bite or attack.
Ditto
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:23 PM   #9
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Often it isn't that a dog has suddenly just "turned" against its owner. It's that the owner had not recognized all the warning signs before the bite or attack.
Beautifully said! There is rarely a such thing as a dog turning on an owner!!
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:25 PM   #10
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Often it isn't that a dog has suddenly just "turned" against its owner. It's that the owner had not recognized all the warning signs before the bite or attack.
That was another option that I was thinking. My bf and I were having a discussion about it last night, so I was wondering what other people thought about it.
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:29 PM   #11
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Often it isn't that a dog has suddenly just "turned" against its owner. It's that the owner had not recognized all the warning signs before the bite or attack.
I work with a girl whose niece was attacked "out of nowhere" by a pit bull. My coworker said the mother had the dog since it was a puppy and never once showed aggression. Apparently, the child was walking down the stairs with her mother and the dog grabbed the child by the back of the head and removed some of her scalp. I tried to explain to my coworker (while being sympathic) that there had to be warning signs of some type and it is unusual for a dog to show such aggression out of the blue.
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Old 05-21-2010, 08:24 PM   #12
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I've dealt with it a lot in AC. I get bites where, regardless of breed, the owner says "fido NEVER showed any signs of aggression..."

1. A choc lab nearly ripped the throat out of a 6 year old. She was the neighbor's kid, and she tried to pet the dog in his kennel. Dog was HIGHLY kennel aggressive. Had played with the girl outside the kennel before. Owners just didn't get it.

2. Pit bull rips owner's knee cap off. Supposedly a nice dog its whole life. Her other pit bull had been tangled up in his improper tether. She was trying to free him when the other dog attacked. I'm thinking re-directed aggression towards other dog, or thinking that the other dog was being injured by the owner.. ?

3. Tik-tik.. chow/pit bull. OMG. This was a hell of a case. We get called out b/c tik tik has his owner trapped in the bedroom. Officer to respond had to catch this dog in his own home. Took her forever, and he was really trying to eat her. Owner was like.. "I dunno! he just snapped!" then proceeds to tell us that he had bitten her bf, and a neighbor, and growled at her from spatial aggression, and it had been happening for 3 months or so prior to the dog "flipping." umm.. duh? he should have been evaluated months ago.. and possibly PTS.

The list goes on and on..
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Old 05-21-2010, 10:20 PM   #13
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I say bad breeding. And are you sure the dog was a (apbt)?
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Old 05-21-2010, 10:35 PM   #14
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Often it isn't that a dog has suddenly just "turned" against its owner. It's that the owner had not recognized all the warning signs before the bite or attack.
I would agree with this.

I was handling someone who wanted to surrender a dog. They kept going on about how great the dog was and it wasn't aggressive, blah, blah, blah. I asked how it was with food/treats and was told it growls over them. Really? Non-aggressive but growls at you? This lady would have been one of those to say 'but she's never done anything like that before!'
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Old 05-21-2010, 11:09 PM   #15
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well i think some people who get attacked may have known there dog was or was becoming aggressive, highly doubt it was just out of the blue, because who wants to get attacked by their dog then look like the dumbass to say, well he was unhappy and highly aggressive... its just easier to tell yourself and people it was a freak accident and this dog was the best dog ever, because isnt that what most people would like to think about their animal?
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Old 05-21-2010, 11:30 PM   #16
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Hell, most people struggle to feed a dog most days and think that they are the world's greatest trainer when their dog will ACTUALLY sit when shown a cookie. They believe that their dog is somehow mentally battling them when it pisses on the carpet.

And these are the people claiming that the attack came out of nowhere...

Apparently, reading a dog as a dog is really tricky business.
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Old 05-22-2010, 01:20 AM   #17
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most people can't read dog body language... or don't even try to
hackles raised, barking at someone while trying to get away? didn't you knew that was THE cutest thing EVER?! lmfao...

the only dogs I'd truly call HA are the ones turning onto their owners... the rest are aggressive, but not truly HA IMO.
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Old 05-22-2010, 02:15 AM   #18
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I agree w/ those who said there had to be warning signs before the dog bites. A sound dog- would not just all of a sudden attack.
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Old 05-22-2010, 04:36 AM   #19
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I have actually lived this! In all honesty and hindsight there were warning signs I just didn't put together until after the attack and the dog was PTS. He was a Lab mix. My and the vets best guess was that he had a bad temperament due to poor breeding, but we'll never know.
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Old 05-22-2010, 04:39 AM   #20
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they never had control and/or bad breeding period....this breed isnt for the weak hearted
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