[RonPeeredob]

Salams,

Did hazrat umar (ra) bury his daughter in the days of jahilliya? I heard this story but I was wondering if it is true and where it originates from?

[bestformaldress23]

what is the need to enquire about things that may have been done in ignorance before accepting islam and which have been forgiven by Allah after accepting islam?

[Rjvpicux]

what is the need to enquire about things that may have been done in ignorance before accepting islam and which have been forgiven by Allah after accepting islam?

No offense abuhamid. There is no use pondering about such things.

[JonnTEN]

No offense abuhamid. There is no use pondering about such things.

Before Islam, people are Kuffaar! And there is no sin worse than it!
Anything else is smaller...

[Rjvpicux]

Before Islam, people are Kuffaar! And there is no sin worse than it!
Anything else is smaller...

True indeed.

[RonPeeredob]

what is the need to enquire about things that may have been done in ignorance before accepting islam and which have been forgiven by Allah after accepting islam?

wa alykum salam,

I just wanted to know if it comes from an authentic hadith. I have never heard this story before.

[janeseymore09092]

Salam Aleykum,

The (probably Shia) who spread this story forgets that 'Umar (ra) has a daughter called Umm al-Mumineen Hafsa (ra) and she was born five years before the message.

[Cuccuccaltefe]

wa alykum salam,

I just wanted to know if it comes from an authentic hadith. I have never heard this story before.

Wsalam,
I heard this in one of the bayaans of Shaykh Zulfiqar thou he did not mention the name of the Sahabi .

[joOEMcheapSOFTWARE]

Assalamu alaykum.

There were instances regarding sahabah including Syeduna Ali R.A. Discussion regarding them won't benefit in any way.

[Kolovorotkes]

There is a hadeeth of Umar where he once was mocking himself at how he used to be during jahiliyyah, in which he mentioned about burying daughter. This was more to establish how fortunate he was to have been guided to the Deen of Allah through Nabi .

This is also a lesson for us to never give up hope.. that if someone like Umar could become one of the beloveds of Rasulullah , then we too can give up our sins as well and become beloveds as well.

A hadith mentions something to the effect that a real muhajir is one who migrates from his sins to the obedience of Allah. The above incident is there to show us that the sahaba were normal human beings as well, however they allowed themselves to be cleanses by their guide ie Rasulullah . The same can be for us to.

[Tauntenue]

Salam Aleykum,

The (probably Shia) who spread this story forgets that 'Umar (ra) has a daughter called Umm al-Mumineen Hafsa (ra) and she was born five years before the message.

Assalamoulaikoum

When I went for hadj in 2009, we did a walking ziayarat in Makkah. Our guide, as student at the University of Makkah, told us about the story. He even showed us a Mountain, south east of Haraam, i think, which is known as Jabal Umar. It there he's supposed to have buried his daughter. By the way the guide is not a shia.
This action was done prior to the advent of Islam. It should not reduce our esteem for Sayidina Umar (ra). Note also that his conversion to Islam is the result of acceptance of the duah of Rasullulah (saw) who asked Allah (SWT) to strengthen Islam with either Sayidina Umar (ra) or Abu Jahl. It is after his conversion that Muslims became stronger and started to pray and preach openly.

And Allah (SWT) knows best

Ayaz

[janeseymore09092]

Assalamoulaikoum

When I went for hadj in 2009, we did a walking ziayarat in Makkah. Our guide, as student at the University of Makkah, told us about the story. He even showed us a Mountain, south east of Haraam, i think, which is known as Jabal Umar. It there he's supposed to have buried his daughter. By the way the guide is not a shia.
This action was done prior to the advent of Islam. It should not reduce our esteem for Sayidina Umar (ra). Note also that his conversion to Islam is the result of acceptance of the duah of Rasullulah (saw) who asked Allah (SWT) to strengthen Islam with either Sayidina Umar (ra) or Abu Jahl. It is after his conversion that Muslims became stronger and started to pray and preach openly.

And Allah (SWT) knows best

Ayaz

Salam,

It's not problem about 'Umar (ra), the entire society used to bury their daughters but what we want to know is which Hadith? it could even be in Bukhari or Muslim, however the topic in itself should not be discussed unless we have the Hadith. Seeing as though he did have a daughter called Hafsa (ra) and he never buried her.
So whether it happens or not, such discussions need to be backed by a Hadith.

[gDGwm8BC]

The story comes in the Hadith reported by Bazzar where Umar (r.a) is a narrator and not a committing person; it is Qays Ibn Asim (or Qays Ibn As at-Tamimi??) who buried his 8 daughters. Another incident reported by Darimi where a man comes and tells his story of burring his own daughter alive.

وَأَخْبَرَنَا أَبُو عَبْدِ اللَّهِ الْحَافِظُ قِرَاءَةً أَخْبَرَنَا أَبُو الْحَسَنِ : عَلِىُّ بْنُ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عُقْبَةَ الشَّيْبَانِىُّ بِالْكُوفَةِ أَخْبَرَنَا الْهَيْثَمُ بْنُ خَالِدٍ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو نُعَيْمٍ حَدَّثَنَا قَيْسٌ عَنِ الأَغَرِّ بْنِ الصَّبَّاحِ عَنْ خَلِيفَةَ بْنِ حُصَيْنٍ عَنْ قَيْسِ بْنِ عَاصِمٍ : أَنَّهُ قَدِمَ عَلَى رَسُولِ اللَّهِ -صلى الله عليه وسلم- فَقَالَ : إِنِّى وَأَدْتُ اثْنَىْ عَشْرَةَ أَوْ ثَلاَثَ عَشْرَةَ بِنْتًا لِى فِى الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ. فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ -صلى الله عليه وسلم أَعْتِقْ عَدَدَهُنَّ نَسَمًا . سنن البيهقي

[Scfdglkn]

1) From Darul Uloom Deoband: http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i7...21/Burried.gif

The above link mentions that the story of Umar R.A. burying his daughter alive is not authentic and it has no basis.

2) From Pakistan:

Assalam-o-Alykum!

The total issues of HAZRAT-E-UMAR (RA) consisted of 9-sons and 4-daughters. The detail of 4-daughters is as under:

1. HAFSA This was the wife of Rasool-ullah (SAWS)
2. RUQAYA This was the wife of Ibrahim Bin Naeem Bin Abdullah
3. FATIMA This was the wife of Abdul Rehman Bin Zaid Bin Alkhatab
4. ZAINAB This was the wife of Abdullah Bin Abdullah Bin Saraqa Al-Adoovi

Reference: (TAREEKH AL-KHAMEES P 283, Vol. 2)

The above detail shows that HAZRAT UMER (RA) did not bury alive any of his daughters.

ALLAH knows the best
Dar-ul-Ifta, Ummul Qura Institute,
Jamia Ashrafia, Lahore, Pakistan.

One of the companions may Allaah be pleased with himwho had killed his daughter in the era that preceded Islam narrated his story: "We would worship idols in the pre-Islamic era and kill our daughters. I had a daughter, who, when she was old enough to comprehend and talk, would rejoice whenever she saw me and would immediately respond. One day, I called her and told her to follow me, so she did, until we reached a well that belonged to my tribe. I then took her by her hand and threw her in the well, and the last thing I heard her cry was: ‘O father! O father!'" (Ad-Daarimi)


It is narrated in the first chapter of Sunan Darimi that a man came to the Holy Prophet and narrated this incident of pre-Islamic days of ignorance. "I had a daughter who was much attached to me. When I called her, she would come running to me. One day I called her and took her out with me. On way we came across a well. Holding her by the hand I pushed her into the well. Her last words that I heard were: Oh father, oh father!!" Hearing this, the Holy Prophet (PBUH) wept. A person present on the occasion said: “O man, you have grieved the Holy Prophet.” But the Holy Prophet said: “Do not stop him, let him question about what he feels so strongly now.” Then the Holy Prophet asked him to narrate his story once again. When he narrated it again the Holy Prophet wept so bitterly that his beard became wet with tears. Then he said to the man: "Allah has forgiven that you did in the days of ignorance: now turn to Him in repentance.”

This father had once been an idol worshipper, like all the Arabs before the Prophet Muhammad came among them and showed them the holy way of Islam. Before he became a Muslim, the Arab had a sweet little girl. ?One day, the Arab called to her and she ran to his side. He took her for a long walk and the girl skipped and hopped happily beside her father as they went along. Before long, the father and his daughter came to a well. Suddenly, without warning, he grabbed her, lifted her up and threw her down the well. The little girl was frightened and cried out in terror, shrieking "Daddy, Daddy, Daddy!" ?Her father refused to listen to her pleas and cries for help. He then threw a load of earth down the well to bury his daughter and went home and left her to die. The Prophet (pbuh) was appalled when he heard what the father had done. His heart ached with sorrow. Tears welled up in his eyes and spilled down his face and into his beard. The Prophet wept so much that his face and beard became very wet and the hairs on his beard were all straggly with water. ?When his friends saw the Prophet (pbuh) weep like this, they felt their eyes, too, fill with tears but knew that it was right for the Prophet to shed so many tears for the poor little girls who had died such a horrible death. For had he not taught his people that they should love ALL children, both boys and girls? Had he not said: "Allah loves he who loves and looks after his family, especially girls?" Source: "A Great Friend of Children." By M.S. Kayani. Published by The Islamic Foundation, 1981.

[Scfdglkn]

There is a hadeeth of Umar where he once was mocking himself at how he used to be during jahiliyyah, in which he mentioned about burying daughter.

Could you provide a reference for the above please.

[janeseymore09092]

Could you provide a reference for the above please.

I know the Hadith, they're talking about idols made from food and how they ate them then he talks about how he buried his daughter ect.. matter of the fact is as one brother pointed above, all his daughters were married, none of them were ever buried. Now here's the problem, we can't find this hadith anywhere, I'm starting to doubt it exists and if it does, does it even have a Sanad?

[bestformaldress23]

i have seen the 'hadith' dotted about on the net but i have not seen any chain of narrators attached to it.

[flienianO]

the shia spreed it i know my mom used to tell me how bad the chalifs are exept for ali

Salam Aleykum,

The (probably Shia) who spread this story forgets that 'Umar (ra) has a daughter called Umm al-Mumineen Hafsa (ra) and she was born five years before the message.

[janeseymore09092]

the shia spreed it i know my mom used to tell me how bad the chalifs are exept for ali

Yea I noticed Shia talk about it on their forums...but they don't Quote it! Where the heck did they get it from? we need the sources before the Sanad.

[Scfdglkn]

There is a hadeeth of Umar where he once was mocking himself at how he used to be during jahiliyyah, in which he mentioned about burying daughter.

Reference for the above please.