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Old 04-23-2012, 06:53 PM   #1
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Default North Sudan bombs South Sudan, where's the US ?
Any chance we might want to support the South Sudanese people and their representative government against the murderous North Sudanese government? Also, protecting South Sudanese Christians from slaughter based on their religion, at the hands of North Sudanese, might be a good idea as well. Nothing like supporting the national sovereignty of countries with representative, democratically elected governments which support political and religious freedom, as a strong foreign policy. As usual, the Obama administration will cave-in to the North Sudanese. Any chance Obama doesn't support the South Sudanese people because,
(1) George W. Bush was a strong supporter of South Sudan.
(2) The South Sudanese are predominantly Christian. (Wouldn't want to offend those North Sudanese Muslims)
(3) The North Sudanese are allayed with Chinese oil companies.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:23 PM   #2
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Um not rushing into a war in another desperately poor, underdeveloped Muslim nation so we don't get roped into another gigantic, contractor-fraud bloated nation building exercise.

The African Union peacekeepers have been doing a decent job in that region in bringing a surprising degree of calm and prosperity to Khartoum.

I'm all for helping (and funding) African nations play the cop in Africa, rather than sacrificing US soldiers for a conflict that will be interpreted as both a war on Islam and war of colonization by the West.

Didn't you just want us to jump into war in Syria as well. How many do you think we should be sending American soldiers to exactly?
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:35 PM   #3
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Um not rushing into a war in another desperately poor, underdeveloped Muslim nation so we don't get roped into another gigantic, contractor-fraud bloated nation building exercise.

The African Union peacekeepers have been doing a decent job in that region in bringing a surprising degree of calm and prosperity to Khartoum.

I'm all for helping (and funding) African nations play the cop in Africa, rather than sacrificing US soldiers for a conflict that will be interpreted as both a war on Islam and war of colonization by the West.

Didn't you just want us to jump into war in Syria as well. How many do you think we should be sending American soldiers to exactly?
Yep, so the Obama administration will leave them hanging, just like they left the Syrians. I didn't advocate invading Syria. I advocated doing a hell of a lot more than nothing via the UN. More excuses for doing nothing.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:46 PM   #4
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Yep, so the Obama administration will leave them hanging, just like they left the Syrians. I didn't advocate invading Syria. I advocated doing a hell of a lot more than nothing via the UN. More excuses for doing nothing.
I am starting to see a sort of pattern in your international and domestic politics. Zimmerman had to be defending himself because Martin was one of "those" and the US should can never spend too much money escalating the violence in far away countries, especially far away Muslim countries. Especially if one side is mostly Muslim and one side mostly Christian.

Syria was an oppressive place for a long time before last year. Real pressure on the Assad regime involves basically embarassing Russia and China to go along with tougher UN sanctions and that means a slow process with UN observers on the ground.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:49 PM   #5
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I am starting to see a sort of pattern in your international and domestic politics. Zimmerman had to be defending himself because Martin was one of "those" and the US should can never spend too much money escalating the violence in far away countries, especially far away Muslim countries. Especially if one side is mostly Muslim and one side mostly Christian.

Syria was an oppressive place for a long time before last year. Real pressure on the Assad regime involves basically embarassing Russia and China to go along with tougher UN sanctions and that means a slow process with UN observers on the ground.
Philadelphiaspeaks is a lot like 4th grade. When someone is bothering you, just ignore them and they will go away. Everyone needs to put ACretin on their ignore list and stop engaging with his pabulum.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:49 PM   #6
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I am starting to see a sort of pattern in your international and domestic politics. Zimmerman had to be defending himself because Martin was one of "those" and the US should can never spend too much money escalating the violence in far away countries, especially far away Muslim countries. Especially if one side is mostly Muslim and one side mostly Christian.

Syria was an oppressive place for a long time before last year. Real pressure on the Assad regime involves basically embarassing Russia and China to go along with tougher UN sanctions and that means a slow process with UN observers on the ground.
Yeah, more excuses to do nothing, and I'm a racist because I pointed out the Obama foreign policy Team's continuing piss-poor-performance. Hey, let's let the UN handle it like they did in Iraq (14 years of flouted UN declarations before Bush invaded), or Syria (Kofi Annan has accomplished what?).
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:53 PM   #7
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Hey, let's let the UN handle it like they did in Iraq (14 years of flouted UN declarations before Bush invaded), or Syria (Kofi Annan has accomplished what?).
Translation: even though the intel to justify it was bogus, Iraq was the best war ever, lets do the same thing ASAP in Syria. Plus a little extra helping of "Obama is evil".

Got it.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:57 PM   #8
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Any chance we might want to support the South Sudanese people and their representative government against the murderous North Sudanese government? Also, protecting South Sudanese Christians from slaughter based on their religion, at the hands of North Sudanese, might be a good idea as well. Nothing like supporting the national sovereignty of countries with representative, democratically elected governments which support political and religious freedom, as a strong foreign policy. As usual, the Obama administration will cave-in to the North Sudanese. Any chance Obama doesn't support the South Sudanese people because,
(1) George W. Bush was a strong supporter of South Sudan.
(2) The South Sudanese are predominantly Christian. (Wouldn't want to offend those North Sudanese Muslims)
(3) The North Sudanese are allayed with Chinese oil companies.
Can we afford to get involved in another war? Or said more correctly, can we borrow enough from the Chinese to fund another war?
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:58 PM   #9
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Yep, so the Obama administration will leave them hanging, just like they left the Syrians. I didn't advocate invading Syria. I advocated doing a hell of a lot more than nothing via the UN. More excuses for doing nothing.
You should work for the government.
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Old 04-23-2012, 08:02 PM   #10
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Translation: even though the intel to justify it was bogus, Iraq was the best war ever, lets do the same thing ASAP in Syria. Plus a little extra helping of "Obama is evil".

Got it.
Everybody had the same intel, and actually a lot of it wasn't incorrect. You can't blame your vote on somebody else when they had the same info too. Leadership requires accountability. Kerry and crew distorted the record at US Soldier expense (as well as US war effort) to score cheap political points.
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Old 04-23-2012, 08:59 PM   #11
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It looks like Treason Season is early this year.
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Old 04-23-2012, 10:22 PM   #12
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Kerry lied and US Soldiers died. The Obama media spewed this BS out for the last 2 years of the Bush Presidency: "Bush lied, people died". Was that early enough for you?
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:31 AM   #13
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ACretin, I admire how much you care about the plight of South Sudan. Unfortunately, calling for Obama to do something on Philadelphiaspeaks won't help. But here are ways you can: Help South Sudan

Please share with the rest of the group the effort you've taken in order to inspire others.

Thanks!
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:33 AM   #14
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You should work for the government.
How about the military, considering her propensity to advocate for military intervention. ACretin, when are you enlisting?
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:37 AM   #15
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How about the military, considering her propensity to advocate for military intervention. ACretin, when are you enlisting?
Don't hold your breath.
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:54 AM   #16
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Yep, so the Obama administration will leave them hanging, just like they left the Syrians. I didn't advocate invading Syria. I advocated doing a hell of a lot more than nothing via the UN. More excuses for doing nothing.
Remind me why we should be involved with any of these conflicts you are discussing in this thread?
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:58 AM   #17
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Remind me why we should be involved with any of these conflicts you are discussing in this thread?
Because Obama hasn't gotten us involved and ACretin is a birther. Capisce?
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Old 04-24-2012, 01:11 AM   #18
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Gee, I don't know, maybe like I already said, US Foregin Policy should advance, promote and protect our interests in spreading our values of peace, freedom and democratically-elected representative governments that respect human rights, freedom to worship, etc.

Also, the US played a major role in the establishment of South Sudan. Are we going to hang them out to dry because of a change in administrations?

Are we going to turn a blind eye to continuing genocide against South Sudanese Christians by the Muslim-dominated North Sudanese Government?

South Sudan is our ally. We should support them against the murderous North.
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Old 04-24-2012, 01:33 AM   #19
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Gee, I don't know, maybe like I already said, US Foregin Policy should advance, promote and protect our interests in spreading our values of peace, freedom and democratically-elected representative governments that respect human rights, freedom to worship, etc.

Also, the US played a major role in the establishment of South Sudan. Are we going to hang them out to dry because of a change in administrations?

Are we going to turn a blind eye to continuing genocide against South Sudanese Christians by the Muslim-dominated North Sudanese Government?

South Sudan is our ally. We should support them against the murderous North.
Get a few thousand of like minded people and do your own crusade. May god be with you. What could go wrong ?
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Old 04-24-2012, 01:38 AM   #20
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Gee, I don't know, maybe like I already said, US Foregin Policy should advance, promote and protect our interests in spreading our values of peace, freedom and democratically-elected representative governments that respect human rights, freedom to worship, etc.

Also, the US played a major role in the establishment of South Sudan. Are we going to hang them out to dry because of a change in administrations?

Are we going to turn a blind eye to continuing genocide against South Sudanese Christians by the Muslim-dominated North Sudanese Government?

South Sudan is our ally. We should support them against the murderous North.
WHo made US the moral police ESPECIALLY when we are spreading misery thruu out the world via inflation, propping up tin-pot dictators, 'supporting' tyranical revolutions, etc, etc?

We spread our "values of peace, freedom and democratically-elected representative governments" to Egypt and Libya (just noting recent occurrences not Obama bashing and giving others a pass) and it got us the likes of the muslim brotherhood. And none of these countries pose any threat to America and we have no business putting our noses into their business
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