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BorBitExatini 06-01-2012 08:46 PM

Ron Paul Voted With Dems on HR 3541
 
Ron Paul Joins Democrats in Defeating Sex Selection Abortion Ban, Allowing Genocide to Continue

It seems there really is a war on women being waged by the democrat party. A vile, wicked war of death. Ron Paul and six other Republican have joined democrats in supporting this mass murder.

Republicans who don’t care about the slaughter of little girls, joining Ron Paul, are Justin Amash (Mich.), Charlie Bass (N.H.), Mary Bono Mack (Calif.), Robert Dold (Ill.), Richard Hanna (N.Y.), and Nan Hayworth (N.Y.).


HR 3541 Prenatal Non-discrimination Act roll call:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll299.xml

This legislation also included a ban on race-based selection as well as the sex-based selection ban on abortions. This is something democrats would rather you not know.

Source: A Time For Choosing

Someone's got some 'splain'n to do. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...s/RollEyes.gif

Spongebob 06-01-2012 09:48 PM

Paul's vote was consistent with his philosophy. This bill would have added another cumbersome, invasive, and expensive intrusion of the Federal Government into the private affairs of the citizenry.

Z3s9vQZj 06-01-2012 10:02 PM

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Paul's vote was consistent with his philosophy. This bill would have added another cumbersome, invasive, and expensive intrusion of the Federal Government into the private affairs of the citizenry.
so sex selection by abortion is OK with you and RP? you are consistent with the Chinese, congratulations.

w4WBthjv 06-01-2012 10:16 PM

Page 18 has a section that could violate confidential doctor/patient privilege.

3 ‘‘(d) REPORTING REQUIREMENT.—A physician, physician’s assistant, nurse, counselor, or other medical or mental health professional shall report known or suspected violations of any of this section to appropriate law enforcement authorities. Whoever violates this requirement shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year,
or both.


If they're so worried about girls and niggers being aborted then overturn Roe v Wade and let the states decide.

ebBPxIai 06-01-2012 10:22 PM

Outside of that reporting requirement and the "powers vested by the Commerce clause" bullshit, I fail to see why anyone would be block a bill that would stop gender and race determined abortion.

Page 14-15:

(b) CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY.—In accordance
with the above findings, Congress enacts the following pursuant to Congress’ power under—
(1) the Commerce Clause;
(2) section 2 of the 13th amendment;

(3) section 5 of the 14th amendment, including
the power to enforce the prohibition on government
action denying equal protection of the laws; and
(4) section 8 of article I to make all laws necessary and proper for the carrying into execution of
powers vested by the Constitution in the Government
of the United States.

I always wince when they bring up the Commerce clause and article 1 sec 8.
That often means the authority for the act is questionable.

investmentonlinev2006x 06-01-2012 10:33 PM

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Paul's vote was consistent with his philosophy. This bill would have added another cumbersome, invasive, and expensive intrusion of the Federal Government into the private affairs of the citizenry.
Ron Paul supports abortion?

robstamps 06-01-2012 10:37 PM

It's a strange vote on his part.
I'm curious what Ron Paul's reason is.

ThomasMannfanny 06-02-2012 12:30 AM

No, I'm not ok with sex selection in abortion. But the bill can't be enforced, which doesn't mean the Fed wouldn't spend a gazillion dollars trying to enforce it. It's more bullshit bureaucracy at its worst.

Wsjltrhe 06-02-2012 12:32 AM

BTW, for you pro-lifers, how is sex-selection any WORSE a reason for abortion than any other reason????

Maphpseurse 06-02-2012 12:50 AM

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BTW, for you pro-lifers, how is sex-selection any WORSE a reason for abortion than any other reason????
how about race selection. abortion is murder (IMO) but opinions are like assholes-----------I say let each state vote on it.

I do not understand why abortion is such a major political football.

BeaseHoca 06-02-2012 01:01 AM

I personally don't agree with abortion, and I do agree that it should be a decision for the states. But this bill is typical of Big Government/Big Brother bullshit. Medicos are now supposed to report possible cases of discriminatory selection? That's patently ridiculous. Any woman could get an ultrasound, find out the sex of their baby, then go to an abortion clinic and LIE, duh.

What's the Fed going to do? Require lie detector tests in every clinic? I wouldn't put it past them, of course. There's a few gazillion right there. Or set up a nation-wide education program for clinic counselors? Teach them how to ferret out suspected selectors? There goes a few more gazillion. What if a woman gets falsely accused and has to go through our interminable and costly "justice" system to clear herself? Well that would generate a few gazillions for the lawyers and courts.

If you can't see this bill as another wasteful and ridiculous intrusion by the government, I just really don't know what to say.

MarythePuppy6 06-02-2012 01:38 AM

Quote:

Page 18 has a section that could violate confidential doctor/patient privilege.

3 ‘‘(d) REPORTING REQUIREMENT.—A physician, physician’s assistant, nurse, counselor, or other medical or mental health professional shall report known or suspected violations of any of this section to appropriate law enforcement authorities. Whoever violates this requirement shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year,
or both.


If they're so worried about girls and niggers being aborted then overturn Roe v Wade and let the states decide.
Now we're gonna turn doctors into cops?

Zjohkrbi 06-02-2012 01:40 AM

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BTW, for you pro-lifers, how is sex-selection any WORSE a reason for abortion than any other reason????
Exactly. It's either legal or not legal. "Why" doesn't matter.

Fuck the brain police.

fluoxet 06-02-2012 04:27 AM

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BTW, for you pro-lifers, how is sex-selection any WORSE a reason for abortion than any other reason????
They weren't voting on any other reasons, Kool Aid drinker. They were voting on sex selection. The good doctor, who delivers babies, should be against such a thing. You know, seeing as without life, everything else is meaningless.

I'd like to see his reasoning on this. I know the guy doesn't support abortion. Something must have really stuck in his craw for him to pass up a chance to stop at least one reason for killing the supremely innocent.

Edisesyethisp 06-02-2012 04:30 AM

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I personally don't agree with abortion, and I do agree that it should be a decision for the states. But this bill is typical of Big Government/Big Brother bullshit. Medicos are now supposed to report possible cases of discriminatory selection? That's patently ridiculous. Any woman could get an ultrasound, find out the sex of their baby, then go to an abortion clinic and LIE, duh.

What's the Fed going to do? Require lie detector tests in every clinic? I wouldn't put it past them, of course. There's a few gazillion right there. Or set up a nation-wide education program for clinic counselors? Teach them how to ferret out suspected selectors? There goes a few more gazillion. What if a woman gets falsely accused and has to go through our interminable and costly "justice" system to clear herself? Well that would generate a few gazillions for the lawyers and courts.

If you can't see this bill as another wasteful and ridiculous intrusion by the government, I just really don't know what to say.
It's a nice way to curtail abortion for birth-control purposes. Seeing as it's murder, we should be all for that. Fuck a doctor having to do a little extra work. Fuck him right in his ear. We should be making abortion exponentially harder to get, not worrying about the fucking doctor. A baby has to lose his/her life so a doctor won't be inconvenienced?

This fucking world is spinning out of control.

Twendypreency 06-02-2012 04:31 AM

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Now we're gonna turn doctors into cops?
Are you a "cop" if you report somebody breaking into your neighbor's house? If it makes abortion harder to come by, it's a good thing.

Drugsonl 06-02-2012 04:31 AM

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Exactly. It's either legal or not legal. "Why" doesn't matter.

Fuck the brain police.

That's a neat argument for an ideal, laboratory-clean world. We don't live in such a world.

Kamendoriks 06-02-2012 04:35 AM

You can't reason with neocon liberals.

wizardasa 06-02-2012 04:36 AM

It was a stunt..

I would have voted in favor of banning it as a foot in the door... As this shouldn't be a federal issue anyway..

But it was a cheap, election year stunt.

rozalinasi 06-02-2012 04:36 AM

You clowns don't want less government, you want as much as the Democrats, only you want to impose your controls. Fuck that shit. Fuck all liberals.


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