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**boiffrona** · 05-27-2006, 04:27 AM

C'mon, you sound like a salesman. Very few average golfers will see any difference in their games because of the equipment they buy. They would be much better off spending that $400 for a new driver or $300 for new putter on golf lessons.

How can the lofts on my clubs be "out of whack" if they're my clubs? I know what they do, how far they fly and what shape. It's the swing I put on them that matters.

I have well-heeled buddies that spend more on one club than I have in my whole bag. I still beat them. There's a definite psychological effect in this game about buying new equipment...don't know why it is, but guys play better with new clubs...for a few weeks. Then it's back to the same old same old...guaranteed.

The "1" handicap on my team has used the same irons since high school. He won a state championship with them. Whenever we complain about our game, he's the first to point out, "It ain't the club."

Sure good equipment maximizes your potential to play the game well. But for the vast majority of golfers, good, decent, average priced equipment is all that they need. Buying high priced stuff is delusional.

Once you get down to a 5 handicap or less, then you can worry about equipment.

I think you're a lot right, but somewhat wrong also. Lessons are a much better investment than clubs, but you have to have the correct tools and the pro will eventually steer you towards spending around
$1500 on clubs in his pro shop. My clubs are 1/4 inch long and one degree upright. I have a friend who is 5 degrees upright, believe it or not.

The game is hard enough without using the wrong equipment. I've got a bag full of drivers I've bought over the years. I used to hit the ball so damn high I've got everything from a 6 degree Orlimar to my current 10 degree Callaway X460 that I've only had a few weeks. My son has the 8 degree Great Big Bertha that I bought when I turned 40 and I'm trying to talk him out of using it.
This is why:
My swing was long, loose, lots of head movement, bent left arm, huge swing. I hit the ball a mile. I've shot 76 with that swing, then came out the next day and shot 93. Hell one year when I belonged to 2 clubs at the same time I shot 81 at COGC in the morning and then went to Kokopelli to play in the club championship tourney and shot 105 and withdrew in disgust.
I've had lessons from several asst. pros over the years and they helped me some. This year I'm taking lessons from the head pro, the man.
Once he got my head still, my left arm straight, and my shoulder turn correct, I had a hard time getting a low lofted driver in the air. He told me I would and I did. Hank Kuehne hits the ball farther than anyone on the tour and he uses a 10 degree driver. If you're a magician you can tee a low lofted driver big and catch it on the upswing, but I'm not that damn good.

So I'm trying to get my son to use the strong 3 wood I gave him (13 degrees) and not hit the driver. I've almost driven a few par 4 greens with my strong 3 when I was trying to play it safe. I wasn't smart enough to figure it out, the pro had to tell me and show me computer simularions of Tiger woods and how he was taking the club back shorter than I was.

Enough rambling. As far as putters go if you can get it in the hole that's the putter to use. No matter how ugly, old, cheap, expensive, or contrived. I've got a closet full of putters and that's after giving putters away to my son and son in law. I've been blessed with good putting ability most of the time, and if have 30 or more putts in a round I'm pissed.
The putters I've used most over the years are a Ping Anser 5, a Zebra, an Oddysey belly putter, and now I'm using a Taylor Made Rossa belly putter.

I'm an impulse buyer when it comes to golf equipment but I've never spent more than $100 on a putter. I thought about buying a Cameron a few times but only because it was a limited edition collector piece. I didn't.

05-27-2006, 04:27 AM	#19
boiffrona Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 606 Senior Member	C'mon, you sound like a salesman. Very few average golfers will see any difference in their games because of the equipment they buy. They would be much better off spending that $400 for a new driver or $300 for new putter on golf lessons. How can the lofts on my clubs be "out of whack" if they're my clubs? I know what they do, how far they fly and what shape. It's the swing I put on them that matters. I have well-heeled buddies that spend more on one club than I have in my whole bag. I still beat them. There's a definite psychological effect in this game about buying new equipment...don't know why it is, but guys play better with new clubs...for a few weeks. Then it's back to the same old same old...guaranteed. The "1" handicap on my team has used the same irons since high school. He won a state championship with them. Whenever we complain about our game, he's the first to point out, "It ain't the club." Sure good equipment maximizes your potential to play the game well. But for the vast majority of golfers, good, decent, average priced equipment is all that they need. Buying high priced stuff is delusional. Once you get down to a 5 handicap or less, then you can worry about equipment. I think you're a lot right, but somewhat wrong also. Lessons are a much better investment than clubs, but you have to have the correct tools and the pro will eventually steer you towards spending around $1500 on clubs in his pro shop. My clubs are 1/4 inch long and one degree upright. I have a friend who is 5 degrees upright, believe it or not. The game is hard enough without using the wrong equipment. I've got a bag full of drivers I've bought over the years. I used to hit the ball so damn high I've got everything from a 6 degree Orlimar to my current 10 degree Callaway X460 that I've only had a few weeks. My son has the 8 degree Great Big Bertha that I bought when I turned 40 and I'm trying to talk him out of using it. This is why: My swing was long, loose, lots of head movement, bent left arm, huge swing. I hit the ball a mile. I've shot 76 with that swing, then came out the next day and shot 93. Hell one year when I belonged to 2 clubs at the same time I shot 81 at COGC in the morning and then went to Kokopelli to play in the club championship tourney and shot 105 and withdrew in disgust. I've had lessons from several asst. pros over the years and they helped me some. This year I'm taking lessons from the head pro, the man. Once he got my head still, my left arm straight, and my shoulder turn correct, I had a hard time getting a low lofted driver in the air. He told me I would and I did. Hank Kuehne hits the ball farther than anyone on the tour and he uses a 10 degree driver. If you're a magician you can tee a low lofted driver big and catch it on the upswing, but I'm not that damn good. So I'm trying to get my son to use the strong 3 wood I gave him (13 degrees) and not hit the driver. I've almost driven a few par 4 greens with my strong 3 when I was trying to play it safe. I wasn't smart enough to figure it out, the pro had to tell me and show me computer simularions of Tiger woods and how he was taking the club back shorter than I was. Enough rambling. As far as putters go if you can get it in the hole that's the putter to use. No matter how ugly, old, cheap, expensive, or contrived. I've got a closet full of putters and that's after giving putters away to my son and son in law. I've been blessed with good putting ability most of the time, and if have 30 or more putts in a round I'm pissed. The putters I've used most over the years are a Ping Anser 5, a Zebra, an Oddysey belly putter, and now I'm using a Taylor Made Rossa belly putter. I'm an impulse buyer when it comes to golf equipment but I've never spent more than $100 on a putter. I thought about buying a Cameron a few times but only because it was a limited edition collector piece. I didn't.
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