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**weO1bVp1** · 05-31-2011, 12:43 AM

"You don't have to eat only P2 foods the first 2 days of P3. I add way more fats immediately: coconut oil, butter, etc. I usually add back cream in my coffee that first day too. If you add dairy the first day, eat it for 3 days and watch the scale before you add in eggs or nuts, the other two danger foods. But add in different veggies like green beans, mixing your veggies for salad, that kind of thing. No need to stick to P2 protocol. I usually limit my fruit to one a day the first week. Good luck!" - Grammy

Avoid eggs, cheese and nuts the first few days to see where your weight “lands”.
If you want to be really cautious, back off those 3 foods for a couple of days and see where your weight is, then add one of those foods for 3 days in a row and see what happens to your weight. Stop eating that one and add another. By adding those 3 foods one at a time and for 3 days, you generally can figure out if you're going to have a problem with one of them. Other foods you can add more quickly.

Eggs and cheese are tricky. It is best to start with meats/veg/fruits for a few days and see what your weight does. Then add EITHER eggs or cheese for 2-3 days (make that your only new food). If your weight stays stable, stop that one and try the other. If still ok, try them together. I recommend this because you could have a mild sensitivity that would not show up eating only one of them, but would when you have both. If you react to a number of foods, you may wish to have blood work done to test for food sensitivities.

What can you eat in P3? All meats and fish, eggs, all dairy including cheese, butter, oils. You may eat most veggies, except for starchy ones like corn and peas. You may have most fruits- but be cautious in the beginning with the sweeter fruits such as melons and bananas. Nuts are also allowed, but I'd add these slowly- some people have difficulty with them (which may be due in part to the salt). No bread, baked goods, cereal, rice, potatoes, pasta, candy, deserts.

Some people can eat low-carb foods such as low-carb tortillas. You have to judge this for yourself. Dr. S. says "no starch", but these kinds of foods were not available when the protocol was written. I choose not to use the “low carb” options in P3, just to be safe. Many low-carb or low-sugar foods have sugar alcohols in them. Although still carbs, they have less affect on your blood sugar than other types of sugars. Some people tolerate them well, others don't. Personally, I find sugar alcohols make me react pretty much the way sugar does- they cause me to crave more sugar, cause me to retain water, and anything other than small amounts may also cause diarrhea.

When I see people reporting their menus, it usually looks like they are not eating enough fruits and vegetables. Eggs, meat, cheese, dairy, nuts are all ok- but all are also high in fat. Dr. S. says that if you avoid the "so-called carbohydrates" that you may eat fats "somewhat more liberally". Since we're eating no added fats in Phase 2, I don't believe this is an endorsement to eat a high-fat diet. This may cause some people to gain, so be careful. Veggies and fruits have lots of needed enzymes, provide necessary fiber, and will help fill you up.

LIW (last injection weight) or LDW (last drop weight) is the weight you are on the morning of your last dose of Hcg. You may lose a little more during those last 3 low-calorie days, but the object of P3 is to stabilize - so you should not allow your weight to go more than 2# above your LIW. If you weigh yourself one morning and you are more than 2# above your LIW, this is when you would do a steak day. You eat nothing all day until dinner, although you may have as much coffee, tea and water as you like. Then you eat a huge steak, along with either a raw tomato, or an apple. This will help to bring your weight down the following morning. If you find your weight creeping up but it is not high enough to do a steak day, try a day where you eat only protein. This should also bring your weight back down.

When you have taken your last dose of Hcg, you must then do an additional 3 days (72 hours) of the very low calorie diet. The following day, is the first day of Phase 3. This is the "no sugar, no starch" phase, and this continues for 3 weeks.

Dr. S. contradicts himself a bit as to when to start P3. Most people start 72 hrs after their last shot, some people wait a full 3 days, which would be 96 hrs. If you choose 72, I'd recommend going ahead with greater quantity of P2 foods, and maybe adding in a couple of eggs for breakfast. But personally, I'd avoid adding in any fats until the next day. Dr. S. states that your body will be very sensitive to fats as long as there is even a trace of Hcg in your system.

Eggs and cheese are tricky. It is best to start with meats/veg/fruits for a few days and see what your weight does. Then add EITHER eggs or cheese for 2-3 days (make that your only new food). If your weight stays stable, stop that one and try the other. If still ok, try them together. I recommend this because you could have a mild sensitivity that would not show up eating only one of them, but would when you have both. If you react to a number of foods, you may wish to have blood work done to test for food sensitivities.

When you start phase 3, don't go hog-wild all at once. Your body will be happier if you slowly increase the amount of food you're eating. Many people start by eating phase 2 foods, but just increasing the amounts. Be careful of low-fat or fat-free processed foods- these almost always have lots of added sugar. You may go back to using lotions and your regular cosmetics on day one of P3.

e.g. Start with dairy. Try the Heavy Cream & butter (milk products) for 2 days and see if there's a reaction (weight gain), then add eggs for 2 days and see if there's a reaction (weight gain)... I recommend this because you could have a mild sensitivity that would not show up eating only one of them, but would when you have both. If you react to a number of foods, you may wish to have blood work done to test for food sensitivities.

Do NOT try to stay on a low-calorie diet, without the hcg. That will cause edema (water retention) due to protein deficiency, and you will actually gain weight. Make sure you add at least one additional serving of protein per day; some people recommend doubling your protein.

Most people stabilize 3-4 lbs up from LIW.

Water -
You should be drinking half your weight in ounces. If you are drinking considerably more than this, then you could be defeating the purpose:

Drinking too much fluid won't slow your losses or make you stall but it can lead to electrolyte imbalance with muscle spasms, weakness, etc. So that's what I was talking about. And strangely enough, when you drink TOO much it strips your body of too much fluid when the electrolytes get out of whack and then you're thirsty all the time, drink more water and and it just continues the cycle. - Colleen

A note on starches: No starches allowed on P3. No ADDED sugar (not in the ingredients + no more than 2 grams per serving).

05-31-2011, 12:43 AM	#31
weO1bVp1 Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 438 Senior Member	"You don't have to eat only P2 foods the first 2 days of P3. I add way more fats immediately: coconut oil, butter, etc. I usually add back cream in my coffee that first day too. If you add dairy the first day, eat it for 3 days and watch the scale before you add in eggs or nuts, the other two danger foods. But add in different veggies like green beans, mixing your veggies for salad, that kind of thing. No need to stick to P2 protocol. I usually limit my fruit to one a day the first week. Good luck!" - Grammy Avoid eggs, cheese and nuts the first few days to see where your weight “lands”. If you want to be really cautious, back off those 3 foods for a couple of days and see where your weight is, then add one of those foods for 3 days in a row and see what happens to your weight. Stop eating that one and add another. By adding those 3 foods one at a time and for 3 days, you generally can figure out if you're going to have a problem with one of them. Other foods you can add more quickly. Eggs and cheese are tricky. It is best to start with meats/veg/fruits for a few days and see what your weight does. Then add EITHER eggs or cheese for 2-3 days (make that your only new food). If your weight stays stable, stop that one and try the other. If still ok, try them together. I recommend this because you could have a mild sensitivity that would not show up eating only one of them, but would when you have both. If you react to a number of foods, you may wish to have blood work done to test for food sensitivities. What can you eat in P3? All meats and fish, eggs, all dairy including cheese, butter, oils. You may eat most veggies, except for starchy ones like corn and peas. You may have most fruits- but be cautious in the beginning with the sweeter fruits such as melons and bananas. Nuts are also allowed, but I'd add these slowly- some people have difficulty with them (which may be due in part to the salt). No bread, baked goods, cereal, rice, potatoes, pasta, candy, deserts. Some people can eat low-carb foods such as low-carb tortillas. You have to judge this for yourself. Dr. S. says "no starch", but these kinds of foods were not available when the protocol was written. I choose not to use the “low carb” options in P3, just to be safe. Many low-carb or low-sugar foods have sugar alcohols in them. Although still carbs, they have less affect on your blood sugar than other types of sugars. Some people tolerate them well, others don't. Personally, I find sugar alcohols make me react pretty much the way sugar does- they cause me to crave more sugar, cause me to retain water, and anything other than small amounts may also cause diarrhea. When I see people reporting their menus, it usually looks like they are not eating enough fruits and vegetables. Eggs, meat, cheese, dairy, nuts are all ok- but all are also high in fat. Dr. S. says that if you avoid the "so-called carbohydrates" that you may eat fats "somewhat more liberally". Since we're eating no added fats in Phase 2, I don't believe this is an endorsement to eat a high-fat diet. This may cause some people to gain, so be careful. Veggies and fruits have lots of needed enzymes, provide necessary fiber, and will help fill you up. LIW (last injection weight) or LDW (last drop weight) is the weight you are on the morning of your last dose of Hcg. You may lose a little more during those last 3 low-calorie days, but the object of P3 is to stabilize - so you should not allow your weight to go more than 2# above your LIW. If you weigh yourself one morning and you are more than 2# above your LIW, this is when you would do a steak day. You eat nothing all day until dinner, although you may have as much coffee, tea and water as you like. Then you eat a huge steak, along with either a raw tomato, or an apple. This will help to bring your weight down the following morning. If you find your weight creeping up but it is not high enough to do a steak day, try a day where you eat only protein. This should also bring your weight back down. When you have taken your last dose of Hcg, you must then do an additional 3 days (72 hours) of the very low calorie diet. The following day, is the first day of Phase 3. This is the "no sugar, no starch" phase, and this continues for 3 weeks. Dr. S. contradicts himself a bit as to when to start P3. Most people start 72 hrs after their last shot, some people wait a full 3 days, which would be 96 hrs. If you choose 72, I'd recommend going ahead with greater quantity of P2 foods, and maybe adding in a couple of eggs for breakfast. But personally, I'd avoid adding in any fats until the next day. Dr. S. states that your body will be very sensitive to fats as long as there is even a trace of Hcg in your system. Eggs and cheese are tricky. It is best to start with meats/veg/fruits for a few days and see what your weight does. Then add EITHER eggs or cheese for 2-3 days (make that your only new food). If your weight stays stable, stop that one and try the other. If still ok, try them together. I recommend this because you could have a mild sensitivity that would not show up eating only one of them, but would when you have both. If you react to a number of foods, you may wish to have blood work done to test for food sensitivities. When you start phase 3, don't go hog-wild all at once. Your body will be happier if you slowly increase the amount of food you're eating. Many people start by eating phase 2 foods, but just increasing the amounts. Be careful of low-fat or fat-free processed foods- these almost always have lots of added sugar. You may go back to using lotions and your regular cosmetics on day one of P3. e.g. Start with dairy. Try the Heavy Cream & butter (milk products) for 2 days and see if there's a reaction (weight gain), then add eggs for 2 days and see if there's a reaction (weight gain)... I recommend this because you could have a mild sensitivity that would not show up eating only one of them, but would when you have both. If you react to a number of foods, you may wish to have blood work done to test for food sensitivities. Do NOT try to stay on a low-calorie diet, without the hcg. That will cause edema (water retention) due to protein deficiency, and you will actually gain weight. Make sure you add at least one additional serving of protein per day; some people recommend doubling your protein. Most people stabilize 3-4 lbs up from LIW. Water - You should be drinking half your weight in ounces. If you are drinking considerably more than this, then you could be defeating the purpose: Drinking too much fluid won't slow your losses or make you stall but it can lead to electrolyte imbalance with muscle spasms, weakness, etc. So that's what I was talking about. And strangely enough, when you drink TOO much it strips your body of too much fluid when the electrolytes get out of whack and then you're thirsty all the time, drink more water and and it just continues the cycle. - Colleen A note on starches: No starches allowed on P3. No ADDED sugar (not in the ingredients + no more than 2 grams per serving).
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