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**risyGreeple** · 04-27-2011, 01:29 PM

The downside to this whole circus is that it obfuscates the real issue, that according to Vattel (whom the framers relied upon for guidance with respect to the intent of the Constitution) 0bunghole will NEVER pass as 'natural born' per Section 212 in Book I of Vattel's Law of Nations -

§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel_01.htm This is just more to undermine the Constitution until it is reduced to being a mere phantom - i.e. if the citizenry allows this shit to persist.

04-27-2011, 01:29 PM	#4
risyGreeple Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 479 Senior Member	The downside to this whole circus is that it obfuscates the real issue, that according to Vattel (whom the framers relied upon for guidance with respect to the intent of the Constitution) 0bunghole will NEVER pass as 'natural born' per Section 212 in Book I of Vattel's Law of Nations - § 212. Citizens and natives. The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel_01.htm This is just more to undermine the Constitution until it is reduced to being a mere phantom - i.e. if the citizenry allows this shit to persist.
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