Apparently you're not getting it. "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." -- The Dalai Lama, May 15, 2001, at the "Educating Heart Summit" in Portland, Oregon "Unfortunately, it happens that the need to render the aggressor incapable of causing harm sometimes involves taking his life. In this case, the fatal outcome is attributable to the aggressor whose actions brought it about, even though he may not be morally responsible because of a lack of the use of reason." -- Pope John Paul II, EVANGELIUM VITAE, 1995 I've been in a circumstance where I was compelled to defend myself with deadly force. Had I not done so I would surely not have survived the incident. I made EVERY attempt to kill the varmint. I got to appear before a grand jury to press for an indictment against the POS, running the risk of being indicted myself (for 'attempted murder' or at least 'terroristic threat' [the PD's version of events]). The result was the varmint was indicted and not me (the members of that grand jury 'got it'). The county Sheriff Doyne Bailey told me later as he shook his head, "Too bad you missed (blowing his head clean off with 00 buck), you'd have done a service to the community." (since he knew the nature of the varmint in question) "Some people don't deserve to live." --former Texas DPS rangemaster and pistol instructor Reeves Junket