DiscussWorldIssues - Socio-Economic Religion and Political Uncensored Debate - View Single Post

**WumibBesowe** · 05-22-2010, 02:45 AM

Freedom of expression may not be condoned by Muslims, but I do condone it, so I will demonstrate my right to draw a picture of whatever the hell I want, and I won't have any group tell me I can't or shouldn't. That is the point here, nothing else. It is a stand against people who try and control freedom of expression.

Admittedly the group has been an outlet for some creative and amusing works but it has also been abandoned by a lot of the illustrators who founded/associated themselves with it due to the amount of disturbing islamphobic art that was being submitted. That's where the idea of not going out of your way to offend comes into it. I still see no need to go out of my way to draw Mohamed, I never have and I never think I will. There are much more important ways to express myself than drawing some guy from the 7th century.

This whole group and its motivation is a bunch of smug self glorifying bollocks...

"Did you hear an Islamic extremist killed Theo Van Gogh?"
"Huh? Theo Van who? Well anyway whatever there's a show on I want to see."

"Did you hear they censored South Park?"
"WHAT!?! This is a ****ing outrage. They can't do this ****! Who do they think they are? We need to do something... like have a draw Mohamed day!"

I guess Theo Van Gogh's work didn't make it on to Comedy Central so his death doesn't really count. Of course bringing Theo Van Gogh into it illustrates another aspect of this whole issue. I don't think anyone even the extremist Muslims have directly objected with threats of violence to the simple depiction of Mohamed. They have reacted to things they see as denigrating their religion and their prophet. Mohamed with a bomb on his head, Mohamed as a dog, etc. or in Theo or Wilders case critical movies about Islam. Which is why I see this drawing day as cheap swipe. It does nothing to address the wider issue nor the fact that most Muslims are moderate.

Why take a cheap shot at all Muslims to make a point about an extremist minority? And what is that point exactly? We already know that this 'protest' was inspired by what happened to South Park so who does that make the target? Should you all be drawing pictures of the management of Comedy Central since they are the ones who censored the show not Muslims. It seems kind of ironic that a lot of what has been said here is contrary to the thinking of people like Geert Wilders who says in reference to freedom of speech, "An Imam who wants a politician dead is—however reprehensible—allowed to say so". That seems to be the problem here there is an accusation being made that we can say whatever we want about Muslims/Mohamed and they aren't allowed to respond negatively because that's not celebrating free speech. Well actually they are, unless laws cover incitement, well within their rights to do so. This is one of the many hypocrisies here, "We can do this because we believe in the freedom of expression but don't support your freedom of expression so there."

Molly Norris' herself said her protest was hijacked and the movement was "offensive to Muslims who did nothing to endanger our right to expression in the first place"

05-22-2010, 02:45 AM	#99
WumibBesowe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 617 Senior Member	Freedom of expression may not be condoned by Muslims, but I do condone it, so I will demonstrate my right to draw a picture of whatever the hell I want, and I won't have any group tell me I can't or shouldn't. That is the point here, nothing else. It is a stand against people who try and control freedom of expression. Admittedly the group has been an outlet for some creative and amusing works but it has also been abandoned by a lot of the illustrators who founded/associated themselves with it due to the amount of disturbing islamphobic art that was being submitted. That's where the idea of not going out of your way to offend comes into it. I still see no need to go out of my way to draw Mohamed, I never have and I never think I will. There are much more important ways to express myself than drawing some guy from the 7th century. This whole group and its motivation is a bunch of smug self glorifying bollocks... "Did you hear an Islamic extremist killed Theo Van Gogh?" "Huh? Theo Van who? Well anyway whatever there's a show on I want to see." "Did you hear they censored South Park?" "WHAT!?! This is a *ing outrage. They can't do this *! Who do they think they are? We need to do something... like have a draw Mohamed day!" I guess Theo Van Gogh's work didn't make it on to Comedy Central so his death doesn't really count. Of course bringing Theo Van Gogh into it illustrates another aspect of this whole issue. I don't think anyone even the extremist Muslims have directly objected with threats of violence to the simple depiction of Mohamed. They have reacted to things they see as denigrating their religion and their prophet. Mohamed with a bomb on his head, Mohamed as a dog, etc. or in Theo or Wilders case critical movies about Islam. Which is why I see this drawing day as cheap swipe. It does nothing to address the wider issue nor the fact that most Muslims are moderate. Why take a cheap shot at all Muslims to make a point about an extremist minority? And what is that point exactly? We already know that this 'protest' was inspired by what happened to South Park so who does that make the target? Should you all be drawing pictures of the management of Comedy Central since they are the ones who censored the show not Muslims. It seems kind of ironic that a lot of what has been said here is contrary to the thinking of people like Geert Wilders who says in reference to freedom of speech, "An Imam who wants a politician dead is—however reprehensible—allowed to say so". That seems to be the problem here there is an accusation being made that we can say whatever we want about Muslims/Mohamed and they aren't allowed to respond negatively because that's not celebrating free speech. Well actually they are, unless laws cover incitement, well within their rights to do so. This is one of the many hypocrisies here, "We can do this because we believe in the freedom of expression but don't support your freedom of expression so there." Molly Norris' herself said her protest was hijacked and the movement was "offensive to Muslims who did nothing to endanger our right to expression in the first place"
	Quote