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Old 08-02-2007, 04:17 AM   #9
Nundduedola

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None of that matters, its not about being 100% efficient, its about saving whats left of our enviroment.
pseudoscience isnt going to save our enviroment. such methods have been seriously investigated and well we all know the result

as meyer tried to profit this by selling rights to this mysterious device he was sued and found guilty of gross and egregious fraud.

We already have the electric car that is viable and energy efficient. And it the best option we currenlty have and will have for quiet some time

The idea of such ventures is to combat the fuel crisis in a way that would repect our environment. your right this is not just about efficiency but Electrolytic designs are not viable or practical.

Electrolytic designs

In practice, none of the processes involved are 100% efficient. This means that some electricity is wasted in the electrolysis stage, some heat is wasted in burning the hydrogen in the engine and some of the power of the engine is lost in generating electricity. This means that the amount of power available for recharging the battery is considerably less than the amount of electricity needed for continued electrolysis - and the engine rapidly comes to a halt when the battery runs out of charge. This is made much worse by the fact that the engine has to drive the car along as well as recharge the battery.

When the hydrogen is burned, the heat it creates can be converted into work by a conventional piston engine (car engine), but the efficiency of such engines is limited by the second law of thermodynamics and is likely to be of the order 30%. Because a conventional electric motor does not use heat, it can theoretically have an efficiency close to 100% and 80% efficient motors are commonplace. Hence it is not possible that an electrolytic/piston engine could be more efficient than a conventional electric motor.

Hence, electrolytic designs for water fuelled cars seem compelling but they are not viable machines. At best they run for a short while until the battery discharges. One may consider them to simply be very inefficient electric motors which (like the steam engine) use water merely to transfer power from the battery into the engine. A conventional electric car would be vastly more efficient.

Another notable electrolytic design is the water fuel cell where it is claimed that hydrogen and oxygen are produced by a mysteriously efficient form of electrolysis. However, the the perpetual motion machine argument still applies. No matter how clever or mysterious this hypothetical fuel cell might be, it is still impossible under the first law of thermodynamics, a successful water fuel cell would require one of the oldest and most fundamental laws of physics to be proven incorrect.
Whatever you might think you have seen there is currenlty no car proven to be using this design thats viable, any attempts to investigate were met with "lame excuses that did not allow any testing to proceed. If there ever was such a car it might have seemed great initially getting it working and everything, but the car would eventually be completely useless.

I know a lot of people who buy new cars every year, actually having to replace the car/ cars engine frequently is just out right ridiculous, hence there was no progress made
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