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**Blotassefesek** · 03-07-2011, 04:17 AM

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1. The average Muslim is dying of thirst for Islamic knowledge, and they will pay to get it from anyone who is qualified and presenting the material in timely way, convenient schedule and professionally done manner, no matter if you trying to divide us and put labels on them salafi or whatever. These shuyookh studied many years and you putting labels on them as if you know more than them. Do you have more knowledge than Yasir Qadhi, Muhammad al Shareef? Look on the almaghrib website biographies of instructors and compare that to the level of kowledge of anyone on reading this forum.

2. many of us are working are own jobs, trying to raise families in terrible environment of the west, dealing with kuffar day in and day out, and then you want us to go find a bunch or Muslims, find alim, tell him to make a course, wait for the course to develop, then teach ourselves and our kids that way instead of going ready made courses. Please, go do google search and lookup almaghrib courses they have.

When you want a pizza, do you go and get tomatoes, cheese, dough, and spend few hours cooking it, or do you go and buy pizza for extortion rates?

Salam,

Brother, first of all, you should read up the sayings of the salaf and the classical ulama regarding the hukm of seeking knowledge and the conditions that scholars have to meet before you can take knowledge from them. There is much to mention on this topic and so I will not get into it.

Just because a person has spent years studying does not automatically mean that we should take knowledge from them. They have to meet certain conditions. Otherwise let's apply your reasoning to others, would you also take from shia scholars, scholars of the khawarij, mu'tazila etc if they had spent years studying? So your reasoning here is not valid. How long a person spent studying is not the only factor we consider.

As for your second point, with respect, I think you under estimate the capabilities of many of our ulama. I will give the same example I gave before in my local masjid. During ramadhan it was decided by the Imam (who is also a mufti) that there needs to be a course which covers the type of knowledge which is compulsory upon all muslims.

Within a period of only two weeks, they had a full 12 week course designed to teach aqeeda, fiqh and tajweed. The course i on going. In different phases. Each phase being 12 weeks. Students are examined and tested at the end of each phase. Then they progress on the second phase (level 2) and continue the subjects. The first phase is begun again for new students. When a subject is covered during any phase, for the next phase a new subject is introduced in it's stead. It is taught in the evenings on the weekend when people are free.

Alhamdulillah the course has been a success. The course was designed, put together, promoted, registration taken etc all in the period of only two weeks. It's not as complicated as you are making it out to be.

I have seen the al maghrib, kauthar etc courses. Alhamdulillah I have to say the course being run in our masjid is far far superior and better. The only thing that is slightly lacking is the presentation of the material which is a very minor issue, and was due to the short time frame in which it was put together. Those courses in those salafi institutes in comparison are seriously lacking. Every scholar I know that has looked at those courses have come to pretty much the same conclusion. That their courses are well presented, yet lacking in content and heavily over priced. The added advantage to the course in my masjid, since it is being taught over time (not rushed), students absorb the materials better, understand more, have more opportunities to ask questions, seek clarifications, revise the materials and retain it better. The way it is supposed to be done.

My question to you is, have you even attempted to find a scholar, ask him to teach and ask how long it would take to put together the needed courses? If not, then you are merely speculating. How are you able to judge what they are capable of or not?

Finding difficulty in locating a suitable scholar? Again not much of an issue. All you need to do is contact the few major madaris in the UK. Bury, blackburn etc. Contact them, explain what you are attempting to do and ask if they know of ulama in your area that could teach. More than likely they will know a graduate from their institution or will know of ulama who could point you in the right direction. All you need to do is employ your intelligence a little, and make the efforts.

But it's easy to speculate isn't it, sitting around and not making any efforts. Even if it does take time, so what? The benefit in the long run is far greater and better than resorting to these over priced institutions, quick courses (I will honestly be surprised if students even manage to retain a great deal, or they can be taught thoroughly in such a short period).

If you actually make the efforts, you will find that Allah swt will open doors for you and assist you. But if you sit around complaining, then how do you expect Allah swt do help you?

wallahu a'alam,
wassalaam.

Forgive me for sounding harsh if I did, but some things just need to be said.

wallahu a'alam,
wassalaam.

03-07-2011, 04:17 AM	#19
Blotassefesek Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 607 Senior Member	wswrwb- 1. The average Muslim is dying of thirst for Islamic knowledge, and they will pay to get it from anyone who is qualified and presenting the material in timely way, convenient schedule and professionally done manner, no matter if you trying to divide us and put labels on them salafi or whatever. These shuyookh studied many years and you putting labels on them as if you know more than them. Do you have more knowledge than Yasir Qadhi, Muhammad al Shareef? Look on the almaghrib website biographies of instructors and compare that to the level of kowledge of anyone on reading this forum. 2. many of us are working are own jobs, trying to raise families in terrible environment of the west, dealing with kuffar day in and day out, and then you want us to go find a bunch or Muslims, find alim, tell him to make a course, wait for the course to develop, then teach ourselves and our kids that way instead of going ready made courses. Please, go do google search and lookup almaghrib courses they have. When you want a pizza, do you go and get tomatoes, cheese, dough, and spend few hours cooking it, or do you go and buy pizza for extortion rates? Salam, Brother, first of all, you should read up the sayings of the salaf and the classical ulama regarding the hukm of seeking knowledge and the conditions that scholars have to meet before you can take knowledge from them. There is much to mention on this topic and so I will not get into it. Just because a person has spent years studying does not automatically mean that we should take knowledge from them. They have to meet certain conditions. Otherwise let's apply your reasoning to others, would you also take from shia scholars, scholars of the khawarij, mu'tazila etc if they had spent years studying? So your reasoning here is not valid. How long a person spent studying is not the only factor we consider. As for your second point, with respect, I think you under estimate the capabilities of many of our ulama. I will give the same example I gave before in my local masjid. During ramadhan it was decided by the Imam (who is also a mufti) that there needs to be a course which covers the type of knowledge which is compulsory upon all muslims. Within a period of only two weeks, they had a full 12 week course designed to teach aqeeda, fiqh and tajweed. The course i on going. In different phases. Each phase being 12 weeks. Students are examined and tested at the end of each phase. Then they progress on the second phase (level 2) and continue the subjects. The first phase is begun again for new students. When a subject is covered during any phase, for the next phase a new subject is introduced in it's stead. It is taught in the evenings on the weekend when people are free. Alhamdulillah the course has been a success. The course was designed, put together, promoted, registration taken etc all in the period of only two weeks. It's not as complicated as you are making it out to be. I have seen the al maghrib, kauthar etc courses. Alhamdulillah I have to say the course being run in our masjid is far far superior and better. The only thing that is slightly lacking is the presentation of the material which is a very minor issue, and was due to the short time frame in which it was put together. Those courses in those salafi institutes in comparison are seriously lacking. Every scholar I know that has looked at those courses have come to pretty much the same conclusion. That their courses are well presented, yet lacking in content and heavily over priced. The added advantage to the course in my masjid, since it is being taught over time (not rushed), students absorb the materials better, understand more, have more opportunities to ask questions, seek clarifications, revise the materials and retain it better. The way it is supposed to be done. My question to you is, have you even attempted to find a scholar, ask him to teach and ask how long it would take to put together the needed courses? If not, then you are merely speculating. How are you able to judge what they are capable of or not? Finding difficulty in locating a suitable scholar? Again not much of an issue. All you need to do is contact the few major madaris in the UK. Bury, blackburn etc. Contact them, explain what you are attempting to do and ask if they know of ulama in your area that could teach. More than likely they will know a graduate from their institution or will know of ulama who could point you in the right direction. All you need to do is employ your intelligence a little, and make the efforts. But it's easy to speculate isn't it, sitting around and not making any efforts. Even if it does take time, so what? The benefit in the long run is far greater and better than resorting to these over priced institutions, quick courses (I will honestly be surprised if students even manage to retain a great deal, or they can be taught thoroughly in such a short period). If you actually make the efforts, you will find that Allah swt will open doors for you and assist you. But if you sit around complaining, then how do you expect Allah swt do help you? wallahu a'alam, wassalaam. Forgive me for sounding harsh if I did, but some things just need to be said. wallahu a'alam, wassalaam.
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