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M.K. Kawai, you are entitled to your opinion, however I disagree with it. I believe that if you cannot do tsuki, then you cannot do men (and vice versa) understanding one is very important to understanding the other.
I have read your previous posts, I am generally not in the habit of running my mouth off without having *some* idea of the argument at hand.
I believe the argument you are quoting with Mori sensei has little to do with the merits of men over tsuki. I would be willing to bet that he would have agreed that practise of tsuki would be beneficial toward being able to do 10K good suburi.

A clarification if I may. I would not teach tsuki to a beginner in the initial stages of their development, however once in bogu I would have them learn initially how to receive it, then gradually how to execute the strike. I don't believe I ever advocated a raw beginner learning tsuki. I said beginners which I take to mean anyone up to and including sandan. Others will have their own idea about what a beginner is.

As I said, you are entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to mine, however that does not make it gospel. You have developed a set of beliefs and ideas based on the training you have done, my experiences are apparenly different. Who is to say which is right and which is not? Probably no one. Certainly not you or me.

As for which is more important hitting tsuki or hitting men, to me that is like asking which is more important - planting a seed or watering it?
They are both inextricably interrelated. One may do one a lot more often than the other, but they are no less interrelated because of this.