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**Onervemurce** · 12-06-2011, 09:32 PM

hmmm.very confused about this bill...too long to read ...

OpEdNews - Article: S 1867: Killing The Bill of Rights and Declaring War on Americans

Harvard Law and Policy Review » SB 1867: when the war comes home

The buzz around the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012, SB 1867, has been growing for months now. Rumors that I personally heard as early as July, said the bill would allow the military to capture and detain without trial U.S. citizens on U.S. soil.

The text of the bill is more confusing, mainly because it’s so long. However, I believe the offending part is Sec. 1032 (a), which states that the military “shall” hold a person captured in the course of the war on terror in military custody until the military can determine the person’s disposition under the law of war.

There does not appear to be a territorial limitation on this directive, so it probably also applies within the United States. Sec. 1032 (b)(1) specifically states that the requirement to take to detain a person in military custody doesn’t extend to U.S. citizens. So, it’s not required, but does that mean it’s still allowable? Is it now OK to detain an American citizen in the U.S. without the traditional protections of the Bill of Rights?

The Obama administration has threatened to veto the bill because it attempts to micromanage the fight against terrorism. Despite the threat, the senate passed the bill that was authored by Carl Levin and John McCain.

When the war on terror comes home, its raises new sets of questions and makes us reanalyze what we are currently doing overseas. Acknowledging the fact that Al-Qaeda operatives and other terrorists might be right here in the United States, I wonder how we would feel about drone attacks. Is an acceptable amount of collateral damage in Pakistan also acceptable in Pittsburgh?

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Onervemurce Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 326 Senior Member	hmmm.very confused about this bill...too long to read ... OpEdNews - Article: S 1867: Killing The Bill of Rights and Declaring War on Americans Harvard Law and Policy Review » SB 1867: when the war comes home The buzz around the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012, SB 1867, has been growing for months now. Rumors that I personally heard as early as July, said the bill would allow the military to capture and detain without trial U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. The text of the bill is more confusing, mainly because it’s so long. However, I believe the offending part is Sec. 1032 (a), which states that the military “shall” hold a person captured in the course of the war on terror in military custody until the military can determine the person’s disposition under the law of war. There does not appear to be a territorial limitation on this directive, so it probably also applies within the United States. Sec. 1032 (b)(1) specifically states that the requirement to take to detain a person in military custody doesn’t extend to U.S. citizens. So, it’s not required, but does that mean it’s still allowable? Is it now OK to detain an American citizen in the U.S. without the traditional protections of the Bill of Rights? The Obama administration has threatened to veto the bill because it attempts to micromanage the fight against terrorism. Despite the threat, the senate passed the bill that was authored by Carl Levin and John McCain. When the war on terror comes home, its raises new sets of questions and makes us reanalyze what we are currently doing overseas. Acknowledging the fact that Al-Qaeda operatives and other terrorists might be right here in the United States, I wonder how we would feel about drone attacks. Is an acceptable amount of collateral damage in Pakistan also acceptable in Pittsburgh?
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