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**Vulkanevsel** · 04-20-2011, 05:15 AM

i mean the constant swing from one extreme to the other, from left to right and back again etc...we need to find more balance as to avoid falling in the utopian pit of naive dreaming..

Ah yes, indeed.

a better alternative would be a Nordic union and similar unions for various parts of Europe with similar history.. but it might not work so..

I think it could certainly work better than the current continental unions which so many nations are involved in.

with the rise of China and India, Europe needs to speak with one voice, as otherwise we can easily be undermined as European powers have done with others for the last centuries (divide and conquered), this is mainly in terms of economics, military and general foreign policies.. even Chinese politicians has said the things ive said about Europe.. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion...t_12200024.htm

Or, the world could aim for de-globalization and return to the homeostasis induced by decentralized city states that was present during the time of pre-colonialism.

I agree that China poses a threat economically, militarily, and by other means, but why does Europe have to form a political union to cope with the situation? Why not a simple economic, military (or both) union (or even just a loose agreement) instead? Does not the person who gives up his liberty for freedom (be it real or illusionary) neither deserve nor receive either?

i dont mind living in a socialist country as i am a socialist myself, i just get worried when policies get too much dominated by socialism, they get very naive, especially with regards to immigration and foreign policies..

You should be worried about the size of the socialist nation, rather than how extreme the policies are. Socialism, communism, and similar things are the "ideal" form of government in theory, but in practice they have been shown to be brought down by the human element, and one of the main factors of this is the sheer size of the population to which resources must be allocated.

Also, in any form of government, when the population is large it gets harder to appease everyone, as each person has their own interests. Size meaning both population as a whole, and geographic area. Nations with large geographic areas tend to have many distinct racial, ethnic, and cultural groups which all have different (and often conflicting) agendas.

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Vulkanevsel Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 286 Senior Member	i mean the constant swing from one extreme to the other, from left to right and back again etc...we need to find more balance as to avoid falling in the utopian pit of naive dreaming.. Ah yes, indeed. a better alternative would be a Nordic union and similar unions for various parts of Europe with similar history.. but it might not work so.. I think it could certainly work better than the current continental unions which so many nations are involved in. with the rise of China and India, Europe needs to speak with one voice, as otherwise we can easily be undermined as European powers have done with others for the last centuries (divide and conquered), this is mainly in terms of economics, military and general foreign policies.. even Chinese politicians has said the things ive said about Europe.. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion...t_12200024.htm Or, the world could aim for de-globalization and return to the homeostasis induced by decentralized city states that was present during the time of pre-colonialism. I agree that China poses a threat economically, militarily, and by other means, but why does Europe have to form a political union to cope with the situation? Why not a simple economic, military (or both) union (or even just a loose agreement) instead? Does not the person who gives up his liberty for freedom (be it real or illusionary) neither deserve nor receive either? i dont mind living in a socialist country as i am a socialist myself, i just get worried when policies get too much dominated by socialism, they get very naive, especially with regards to immigration and foreign policies.. You should be worried about the size of the socialist nation, rather than how extreme the policies are. Socialism, communism, and similar things are the "ideal" form of government in theory, but in practice they have been shown to be brought down by the human element, and one of the main factors of this is the sheer size of the population to which resources must be allocated. Also, in any form of government, when the population is large it gets harder to appease everyone, as each person has their own interests. Size meaning both population as a whole, and geographic area. Nations with large geographic areas tend to have many distinct racial, ethnic, and cultural groups which all have different (and often conflicting) agendas.
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