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**preachadaq** · 03-06-2008, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Kidicious

Come on now. Certain elements of the US are religious fanatics. Conscequently many people in the US are religious, and even those who are secular think like religionists most of the time. That's because we are historically religious people. The same can be said for Germany. No, it can't.

You haven't shown that outside of Prussia or even the Prussian Junkers' class that MOST Germans were militaristic, or that German culture was militaristic as a whole.

Given that the Prussian ruling class were Calvinist/Lutheran Protestants and that many of the Junkers lived and farmed on estates in areas now in Poland, Lithuania and Russia, one might well ask what their minority culture had to do with that of Bavaria, or Rhineland, or Hamburg, where many of the population were not aristocrats, Calvinist or Prussian.

Barbara Tuchman quotes one inhabitant of occupied Alsace-Lorraine in the run-up to WWI in her book ' The Proud Tower ' :

'We are all obligatory Prussians'.

Note that 'obligatory'. It's hardly indicative of a general willingness to be militaristic, is it ?

http://www.amazon.com/Proud-Tower-Po.../dp/0345405013

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preachadaq Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 413 Senior Member	Originally posted by Kidicious Come on now. Certain elements of the US are religious fanatics. Conscequently many people in the US are religious, and even those who are secular think like religionists most of the time. That's because we are historically religious people. The same can be said for Germany. No, it can't. You haven't shown that outside of Prussia or even the Prussian Junkers' class that MOST Germans were militaristic, or that German culture was militaristic as a whole. Given that the Prussian ruling class were Calvinist/Lutheran Protestants and that many of the Junkers lived and farmed on estates in areas now in Poland, Lithuania and Russia, one might well ask what their minority culture had to do with that of Bavaria, or Rhineland, or Hamburg, where many of the population were not aristocrats, Calvinist or Prussian. Barbara Tuchman quotes one inhabitant of occupied Alsace-Lorraine in the run-up to WWI in her book ' The Proud Tower ' : 'We are all obligatory Prussians'. Note that 'obligatory'. It's hardly indicative of a general willingness to be militaristic, is it ? http://www.amazon.com/Proud-Tower-Po.../dp/0345405013
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