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**SingleMan** · 06-27-2007, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by Arrian

Bush was a sitting President, so I'd say it's not the same.

However, much of the virulent Hillary hatred, I think, goes back to when she was First Lady... the First Lady who tried to ram through her healthcare plan that so many people hated. First Ladies, I think, are generally expected to lay pretty low - or if they do stuff, to do pretty ideological neutral stuff (charity work). That is probably more than a bit mysogynistic in and of itself. Hillary didn't act like that. She came off as arrogant, IIRC, and people really took exception to her (an unelected person) acting like part of the executive branch.

-Arrian quibble - Theres only one elected person (or maybe two, see thread on Dick Cheney) in the executive branch, and hundreds of thousands of unelected people in it. Leaving aside the civil servants, the cabinet,etc theres still the white house staff. Essentially Hilary was like an unofficial CoS, not unlike Cheney in some ways, and probably less influential than Cheney.

06-27-2007, 04:23 PM	#15
SingleMan Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 459 Senior Member	Originally posted by Arrian Bush was a sitting President, so I'd say it's not the same. However, much of the virulent Hillary hatred, I think, goes back to when she was First Lady... the First Lady who tried to ram through her healthcare plan that so many people hated. First Ladies, I think, are generally expected to lay pretty low - or if they do stuff, to do pretty ideological neutral stuff (charity work). That is probably more than a bit mysogynistic in and of itself. Hillary didn't act like that. She came off as arrogant, IIRC, and people really took exception to her (an unelected person) acting like part of the executive branch. -Arrian quibble - Theres only one elected person (or maybe two, see thread on Dick Cheney) in the executive branch, and hundreds of thousands of unelected people in it. Leaving aside the civil servants, the cabinet,etc theres still the white house staff. Essentially Hilary was like an unofficial CoS, not unlike Cheney in some ways, and probably less influential than Cheney.
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