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statistica 02-21-2012 04:08 PM

If races are discrete units why is there so much overlap between races?
 
The African and Asian diversity debate proved this.

GenrieAB 02-21-2012 04:14 PM

Because humans all came from the same source.

tinetttstation 02-21-2012 04:20 PM

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The African and Asian diversity debate proved this.
From my perspective on Alpha Centauri, I and the other members of the Alpha Centauri High Council don't see any racial differences, though we plan on taking advantage of these petty internecine human conflicts in the course of our upcoming planned invasion.

SannyGlow 02-21-2012 04:24 PM

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Because humans all came from the same source.
I wonder If in some million years some races would evolve more than others or If races will evolve to different "things"(I am refering to those ethnic groups who're racially pure negroid,caucasoid or mongoloid)

bingookenoo 02-21-2012 05:15 PM

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From my perspective on Alpha Centauri, I and the other members of the Alpha Centauri High Council don't see any racial differences, though we plan on taking advantage of these petty internecine human conflicts in the course of our upcoming planned invasion.
You know what, Humanity do need a reality check and be invaded and ruled by superior or alien beings. Only then humans will see their commonality of their fellow humans. Because right now, we still think very primitive, and hardly reached beyond the level of beating each other in the head with clubs, and some of the members here are a good example of that.

ANCETPYNCTEXT 02-21-2012 05:42 PM

If populations did not overlap the case that races exist could be made, but alas it cannot be made except with the most arbitrary of choices.

sadgpokx 02-21-2012 05:47 PM

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The African and Asian diversity debate proved this.
As far as race over lap, to a certain degree among individual there is race overlap, I will admit.

Here is a few examples.

http://i52.tinypic.com/x5eg05.jpg
Nigerian women.

http://www.americansforunfpa.org/Net...w.image?Id=482
Cambodian women


http://www.danmorrison.net/wp-conten...0/11/wardi.jpg

Sudanese


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...n_1500685c.jpg

Mayan man from Mexico


http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx...944oo1_500.jpg

Amazion Indian from Ecuador

http://www.taveuniislandresort.com/i...s/contact1.jpg
The island of Fiji Taveni


I can see the overlap and i could see the differences as well. As one of the posters said, since we are all human therefore you will see similarities. I wish some of the morons in the world realize that, reality. But that is too wayyyyy to much to ask for.

Taunteefrurge 02-21-2012 05:57 PM

The overlap is what binds all humans together.

dabibibff 02-21-2012 06:38 PM

@Bootyman, it threaten people as well, that is why the power that be keep us fighting in these weird circles.

bestbyV 02-21-2012 06:54 PM

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Because humans all came from the same source.
and all animals on earth too. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/whoco.gif

vNGiDaFX 02-21-2012 07:53 PM

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and all animals on earth too. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/whoco.gif
But how much closer are humans to one another than than animals? Humans are technically animals and the only other animal that is relatively close to humans are different primates.

The differences and closeness of different human populations and/or ethnic groups is dependent on you wish to perceive the world. What I mean is they are socially constructed.

Yes, there are slight genetic differences (I mean very slight) between different populations. For example, Europeans are closer to Non-European Caucasoids in cluster plots in comparison to Sub-Saharan Africans and East Asians but not by much in the grand scheme of things.

Anyways, my point it is up to individuals on how close they see themselves to other individuals based on ethnicity, religion, culture, values, etc. However, the comparison of different human ethnic groups, which are commonly interchanged with the concept of race, to different animals is ridiculous because of how much closer humans are to one another instead of different animal species.

911_993_911 02-22-2012 12:28 AM

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and all animals on earth too. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/whoco.gif
Oh I'm sorry,of course Europeans are the only real humans,Negroids are a type of homo erectus who came down from the trees just a few thousand years ago,Mongoloids are aliens from Mars,and the other non Europoid races are just mixed breeds that are trying to thwart the noble White European race,the only human race.All the races have absolutely nothing in common with each other,and there is no overlap.http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/whoco.gif

I'll bet that is how quite alot of posters on here think.We share half our dna with a banana,and share %99 dna with each other,and I see overlap between all the races.

How can you say humans didn't come from the same ancestor in the end?

bumxumer 02-22-2012 12:31 AM

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But how much closer are humans to one another than than animals? Humans are technically animals and the only other animal that is relatively close to humans are different primates.

The differences and closeness of different human populations and/or ethnic groups is dependent on you wish to perceive the world. What I mean is they are socially constructed.

Yes, there are slight genetic differences (I mean very slight) between different populations. For example, Europeans are closer to Non-European Caucasoids in cluster plots in comparison to Sub-Saharan Africans and East Asians but not by much in the grand scheme of things.

Anyways, my point it is up to individuals on how close they see themselves to other individuals based on ethnicity, religion, culture, values, etc. However, the comparison of different human ethnic groups, which are commonly interchanged with the concept of race, to different animals is ridiculous because of how much closer humans are to one another instead of different animal species.
How close are different subspecies of Chimps to each other yet there are still subspecies of Chimps.

Byxtysaaqwuz 02-22-2012 12:44 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...uster_Tree.png

sttrqiss 02-22-2012 12:52 AM

You guys wont believe it. But, I met this anglo american dude who told me that Blacks were not humans because they had an extra ligament on the leg, and that's why they ran faster. Of course, I thought it was bullshit. The guy had a history of not liking blacks.

crycleascentyv 02-22-2012 12:54 AM

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You guys wont believe it. But, I met this anglo american dude who told me that Blacks were not humans because they had an extra ligament on the leg, and that's why they ran faster. Of course, I thought it was bullshit. The guy had a history of not liking blacks.
That guy is an idiot. All of the races are human. I would think that would be apparent.

SaLifHoq 02-22-2012 01:06 AM

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How close are different subspecies of Chimps to each other yet there are still subspecies of Chimps.
I'm not sure as I am not a scientist and neither do I have in depth knowledge of genetic distances between different chimpanzee subspecies.

However, you seem to believe the different so called "races" are subspecies. Correct me if I'm wrong in coming to that conclusion.

But since you brought the concept of subspecies up with what seems to be the intention to compre them to so called human "races", can you show me studies that prove that the genetic differences/distances between different subspecies of chimps or other species of animals is comparable to that of the genetic distances between so called human "races."

In other words, are chimpanzee/other animal subspecies closer or further to one another in terms of genetic distances versus the human "races"?

soryalomop 02-22-2012 01:06 AM

all races except negroids have neardenthal genes in them...

http://radiografiamundial.com/rmblog....thumbnail.jpg

paradoxical no? IYKWIM.

imawlBoli 02-22-2012 01:10 AM

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I'm not sure as I am not a scientist and neither do I have in depth knowledge of genetic distances between different chimpanzee subspecies.

However, you seem to believe the different so called "races" are subspecies. Correct me if I'm wrong in coming to that conclusion.

But since you brought the concept of subspecies up with what seems to be the intention to compre them to so called human "races", can you show me studies that prove that the genetic differences/distances between different subspecies of chimps or other species of animals is comparable to that of the genetic distances between so called human "races."

In other words, are chimpanzee/other animal subspecies closer or further to one another in terms of genetic distances versus the human "races"?
Well the genetic distance between a human and a chimp is less than 2% so how big can the difference between chimps be? I'm curious myself and will do more looking later. I have to leave for school now.

kavaTeexy 02-22-2012 01:17 AM

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Well the genetic distance between a human and a chimp is less than 2% so how big can the difference between chimps be? I'm curious myself and will do more looking later. I have to leave for school now.
I'm not sure but from what I've read on genetics, it seems as though different human ethnic groups are closer to one another than animal subspecies are to one another. I've also never heard of any reputable scientist considering the human "races" as separate subspecies of Homo Sapiens.

Although. some people, who are in my opinion usually ethnocentric or closest supremacists, love to compare so called human "races" to subspecies so I'm wondering what genetic studies have to say about this.


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