[tgs]

Do you agree that scientific instruments would show no sign's of neurological activity, because of no thoughts?

Neuroscientists find no brain state in which brain activities cease completely, unless it is a brain of the dead.

So, the brain, as long as it is active, no matter how minimal, latent or dormant it is, it shows electrical and other activities that may or may not be related to thoughts, depending on the precise state it is in. Nonetheless, whatever minimal activities the brain - consisting of neural network, nervous system and associated cellular structure etc. - would show, are due to it registering and processing various experiences, feelings, and emotions in addition to it performing its vital functions of monitoring, regulating and controlling essential internal bodily functions.

When it (the brain) comes back into thinking state, it recalls witnessed events from the memory, which itself is an important part and neurological function of the brain. You have now clearly accepted, acknowledged and proved that Humans can do literally nothing without the brain (if it is literally not there, removed or it is dead) - an essential and indispensable organ of the Human anatomy. Like I have said many times now that the brain is the one and only unseen witness and much more in the entire phenomenon, whether in normal walking state, dreaming state, deep sleep state, delusive state, confused state, hallucinating state, schizophrenic state, under the influence of various intoxicants and psychotic drugs, other intermediate states or meditative states, brief strokes/episodes of blackouts, in monitoring, regulating and controlling internal bodily functions both in normal condition and during local and general anaesthetised states etc. etc. the list goes on.

As I have stated before, the brain, the one and only witness of the entire phenomenon, is not conscious or aware of itself or its own activity of witnessing - but it is there as more than just the witness, and this is why and how it often plunges into various perplexing and self-deceptive dilemmas. Now, it has become almost pointless to tell you and remind you of the countless evidences that I have produced here and in other threads to show and prove you (your brain) constantly going through all these self-deceptive dilemmas, precisely as I have stated. You also keep constantly forgetting that your body does have a head and it is not empty as you believe, but inside that head, resides the brain, the one and only, unseen witness and the source of all your (i.e. in your brain) misunderstandings, delusions and confusions borne out of self-deception - the phenomena that cannot and doesn't go without being witnessed by other, properly functioning, brains.

I would stronly suggest you to go back to the beginning of this topic and digest all my questions exactly as I have asked you about the body and try understanding all that followed after that. You may do this exercise as many times as you must, but do it until you grasp everything that I have said and proved.

By the way Pradheep, this is my one more attempt to help you remove your gross misunderstandings and confusions on Vedanta.

The Turiya is only called fourth quarter just to link the three experiences in order - now acknowledged by you as neuronal activities in the brain - as described before i.e. walking, dream and deep sleep and then the fourth quarter - the Turiya - was sought and then imagined/guessed to link the three experiences in order and arrive at a statement that attempts to blindly comply with the statements made in other vedic scriptural texts i.e. "That thou art". The referenced Upanishad clearly and rightly so, states and confirms that there is no means whatsoever left for realising or knowing Turiya other than the three states described before i.e. of walking, dream and deep sleep.

With this brief comment, I am delighted to re-write what I wrote before of which you could respond only to a tiny part, evidently that too with plenty of delirium, I am afraid.

Precisely as Sankara feared due to the sheer absence of any instrument of knowledge regarding Turiya or the absence of any means for realising Turiya; Turiya thus, with the advances in science and technology and the availability of modern instruments and means to probe into the brain's neurological and other activities that were never possible or accessible before, reduces to non-entity as the one and only possible and inevitable outcome and declares the absolute nihilism - nothing - sunya - void as the ultimate Truth - exactly as I have proved in other threads [C = 1, P = 0] and [C = 0, P = 1] under the two, precisely defined and specified, boundary conditions.

My dear Pradheep, it is only you who are in search of water in the desert and running after the mirages formed on hot surfaces of the desert and who thinks, sees and believes it is the waters of melted glacier of Mount Everest.

It is only you who thinks, sees and believes a rope in a snake.

It is only you who thinks, sees and believes the rattle of a rattlesnake as a toy and the snake itself as a rope.

No wonder, why you couldn't ever think, feel and experience that conforms to the reality as it is.

My friend, as I know it very well and now everyone knows too, that you are, without any doubt, a seriously deluded and confused person.

However, the only consolation for you, out of this, is to maintain those blind and false beliefs in the Atman/Soul/Brahman, exactly as you have been doing and have just done, irrespective of the clear evidences that are completely contrary to those beliefs.

Good Luck!