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Today I see on the news a very sad thing Happened in Sydney Australia. Race riots involving a huge number of people of aboriginal heritage, attacking the predominantly Caucasian Police Force as well as destroying property. In this attack more than 40 police were injured, including knocking out a police man and breaking many bones of the police. This has upset me grossly, there has been many opinions why the aboriginal have been attacking the police over the last few years, To me it is not just one incidence of this happening, so there must be an underling problem. I can just give you my opinion, whether I'm correct is up to conjecture but to me, the aboriginal still basically hate the whites for settling in a county which was once there's 200 years ago and introducing a culture the aboriginal don't agree with, This maybe an over simplistic view but to me it is a base to a bigger problem. The huge racial tensions in Australia reflects badly on Australia's international image overseas, which could be part of the reason why Australia has had a disproportionate drop in tourists over the last few years considering we had so much publicity from the Olympic games.
Thailand has culturally 95% Buddhist almost every one specks Thai and there race of Thai Chines are so close they are almost identical. I see an area of tension in Thailand with the 5% of the population who do not have a Buddhist culture, but there has been a lot of talk by economic lobbyists and business groups to try and get the Thai Government to increase migration, if this was to happen could Thailand have race riots on it's hands, if to cultures don't get along. Just like in Australia.
Or could Thailand with it's present mix of cultures still have race riots in the future, could any one express there opinions on this matter. Maybe I'm to influence and alarmed by media reports in Australia and my fear is not really justified, but I'm getting very worried as the problem is getting worse.

[MgpojuWy]

It sounds like another attempt to legitimize the notion of ethnic cleansing.

"Bury my heart at Wounded Knee."

FYI- Wounded Knee is where U.S. troops slaughtered American Indians who were fleeing government jurisdiction in an attempt to reach Canada. This act of genocide signialed the demise of the native peoples and their culture, and paved the way for white settlement and exploitation of the land. Gee, I wonder why they don't like us

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Quote[/b] ]Aboriginals you said didn't exist in Sydney in a previous post?.

That is correct Aboriginal do not exist in Sydney or at least I have never seen any, the media reports always say aboriginal race riot, but I have corrected the media and told the truth by referring to the so called aboriginal as being of Aboriginal heritage, That does not mean they are aboriginal as to me an aboriginal is a full blooded race, the media should learn to tell the truth and refer to these rioters as being either part aboriginal or of aboriginal heritage. In my statement I say Aboriginal heritage which is the correct term, as there is not such a race as an Aboriginal in Sydney that I know of, but I can tell you I have seen many Part Aboriginal that must be at least 30 to 80 percent aboriginal in Sydney. The seen of these riots in Sydney was just 8 kilometers from my house in Sydney's eastern suburbs, I can tell you that's scary. Today I decided to drive my car down Everly Street Redfern and look at the distraction first hand, To me this is just one minor issue in Australia, but it is a reflection of the attitudes of the people of Australia. The people in Australia have become complacent to social issues and turn a blind eye to the underlying problems of mixing two or more cultures together that have totally different values and beliefs.
I write a post like this because I get tired of politicians painting a falsely rosy picture of the success of multiculturalism. There are 2 sides of every story and I just painting the other side. Ferret You should no the problems we have had in Sydney, It was not long ago when a man was jailed in Sydney for 50 years for a pack rape of a Caucasian girl which came up in court, that this was a racially motivated hate crime against a white girl.
So far affluent Asian countries like Japan have avoided the racial tensions of the west, As Thailand becomes more affluent does it want to see a change in it's social attitudes and values by bring other cultures from say Africa and south America, that may have opposing social values, issues and beliefs, Or does Thailand want to remain 95% Buddhist and most people think a like. I'm not proud to be an Australian any more, I'm so disgusted with this country now. I would not even recommend any one come to Australia even as a tourist, to me Australia is in total social chaos, I can remember when Australia had only a small fraction of the social tension we have today, I would not like to see Thailand go the same way, I'm very proud of the way Thailand is progressing, taking the good things from the west and still keeping it social values. Now does any one have an objective opinion on this subject and one that has not been chain learnt in a school history lesion developed by the socialist education system.

[Mappaindy]

Quote: "some of the stuff above"
!!!
Good Lord!
Do I hear the sound of dancing jackboots in Oz?
DNA typing by visual examination?
Purity of bloodlines?
Gasp!!
This kind of fecal porridge brings up emotions in me that I
choose not to entertain while viewing this THAI board.
I'll address this topic no more for the sake of my digestion.

Sorry to be a rude "new guy" but this kind of stuff...
......ehh fawget abawt it!

[rJohutozsfds]

Quote[/b] ]I'm not proud to be an Australian any more

We're not proud you are either...

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Quote[/b] (Ferret @ Feb. 18 2004,08:25)]Jake it is a very complex issue involving radical views and lots of Alchohol and shouldnt have been brought in here. I saw the TV shots first hand and there were no Jack Boots and the only injuries were to the Police, who by the way were very subdued.
I hope this is the last we hear about this issue here.

Sorry to revisit this, but I'd like to clear something up.
I was not making any comment about the actions or policies
of the police at Redfern.
I was reacting to the stated opinions of the prior poster only.
My fault,I should have been more clear when I wrote the post.
I agree that this subject should now be closed.

[healty-back]

Dinkum, Ferret, Sketchy and all friends,

What a disgraceful portrayal of Australia and Australians by just one nitwit who has taken the liberty of coming into this forum to promote his own brand of politics, sexism, racism and superiority. What dishonour and disrespect he has given on each of his visits, forgetful that this is a forum and a site for friends and learners of the Thai language, culture and people.

Shame on you p@#$_@%

[indentKew]

Just an off the wall remark. Are we personally part of the problem or part of the solution. Is the world a better place to live because of me? In my opinion, the forum is not the place to vent your angry, but to offer a solution to the problem. Or even make constructive critism.

[bubborn]

Dear Delawang,
Amen. That is the truth.

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Quote[/b] ]Is the world a better place to live because of me?

Interesting question...never pondered on this one before...will start immediately!

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Oh yes! By the way, HAPPY BIRTHDAY PAUL! Since you joined the forum some time back, you have certainly made this forum much spicier, though I can't really say if this is a good or bad thing but objectively, it has definitely made the forum a more interesting and at times humourous place to come to. Also, congratulations on your rapid inprovement in your spelling capabilites, you sure have come a long way. Seeya around, mate!

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Thank you MakiyO for whishing me a happy birthday

Quote[/b] ]What a disgraceful portrayal of Australia and Australians by just one nitwit who has taken the liberty of coming into this forum to promote his own brand of politics,

To people out there who don't know I'm a proud supporter of Australia's 4th largest political party "the one nation party" although I'm not a member. That does not mean I support all one nations views, I don't support policy on More Guns in the community and I believe globalization is a good thing, but I support the freedom of free speech and the right for people's opinion on these matters. One nation members are very well known for there peaceful attitude but there is a vocal violent minority in Australia that opposes One Nation's views. I'm very concerned with Thailand is going down the wrong track like Australia did, I would not like to see the Thai's culture destroyed, like the Australian culture was destroyed starting from the late 1960's. Thailand is a peaceful community now, but that could easily change if Thailand decided to change from it's courant zero migration policy to one like Australia that brings in almost as many migrants as there are births in Australia. It is well known in Australia that the crime rate is much higher amounts certain groups in the community, Does Thailand really want to bring these groups into it's community, change it's cultural identity. To me I don't like seeing race riots, but I have never herd of such a thing happening in Thailand.
Now can any one answer the original Question, could race riots happen in Thailand.

[CKDIWEQ]

Quote[/b] ]you have certainly made this forum much spicier, though I can't really say if this is a good or bad thing but objectively, it has definitely made the forum a more interesting and at times humourous place to come to.

well spoken, aptly described..........much like watching jerry springer

[slimfifa]

I hope Thailand does not suffer the suppressed racial prejudices of Singapore, Malaysia & Indonesia.

Frankly, I don't see it happenning & I think that is because the King has endorsed the value to Thailand of the main ethnic group who are not the original ethnic Thais.

As an Australian I am surprised at your attack on Australia's multiculturalism.

With regard to aborigines, there are extremely few full bloods in Australia. Almost all are of mixed race & very many of those who call themselves aboriginal are almost totally white.

There are many social benefits available to 'aborigines' - not available to white Australians, hence the attraction of being termed an 'aborigine'.

Aborigines have been given billions of dollars to improve their society. They have as much opportunity to make a go of life as anyone else. Unfortunately most have a problem with alcohol & therefore do not take up what is available to them.

The Government has returned huge areas of Australia to the aborigines. Indeed in Northern & Southern Sydney, the aboriginal organisations are the largest single land holders. The areas returned to them were Crown land (bushland reserves) in populated areas. This land may one day be subdivided & sold by the aboriginal organisations.

To believe there is massive friction between urban aborigines & the police because of the small aboriginal community at Redfern, is an overstatement.

Australia should be proud at the success of it multiculturalism & tourists are perfectly safe & will be treated with respect in Australia.

I can't see how this small riot of Redfern could be compared to what MIGHT happen in Thailand.

The problem in Redfern is petty crime, alcohoism & lack of education (but free education is available to everyone). Lack of education creates the inability to work & that breeds petty crime to get money to buy food, alcohol & possibly drugs.

There are quite a few successful Aboriginal people who have broken the imaginary barriers of being an aboriginal. Ernie Dingo on TV's travel series is a much admired & reveered Aboriginal.

Look at how many successful migrants we have from Africa not that dissimilar from Aborigines. Indeed they are much darker than our very diluted almost white aborigines. Obviously colour of skin is not the problem. It is more attitude to life than anything else.

[rusculture]

Quote[/b] ]I hope Thailand does not suffer the suppressed racial prejudices of Singapore

Hi thaimusic, I was just wondering why you think that about Singapore? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you're right or wrong, just wanting to understand.

I think it's unlikely for mono-racial societies like Thailand, Japan, China to suffer from racial related problems. Multi-racial societies are more likely to suffer from these problems. However, there is a problem in mono-racial societies, being free from racial problems they tend to suffer from class discrimination.

[goldcigarettes]

Quote[/b] ]I think it's unlikely for mono-racial societies like Thailand, Japan, China to suffer from racial related problems. Multi-racial societies are more likely to suffer from these problems.

Finally a realist on this forum.

[rusculture]

Lolz

[Spalax]

I was thinking about multi- verse mono-. The thing that came across my mind was war.
Sure there are race riots in multi-. These are responses to problems that have to be addressed.
In the US, immigrants from various European countries settled in communities made up of individuals from the same countries.
There were rifts between these communites . People who lived on the other side of the tracks were discriminated against in jobs, stores, funeral homes, school, etc.
That was reality back then. Sure it still happens today.;but in different ways.
Asian communities went through the same process. Although, I have to say it has taken longer for the transition.
Once the acceptance of "different " groups happens and interaction takes place the healing begins.
Now on the other side of the coin, mono- societies tend to wage war with other mono societies for different reasons.
I know someone will say but the US is constantly fighting. It seems to me that mono- poked the stick a little to much and caused a reaction.
Think of all the wars that happened or are happening.
Even the ones within countries amongst the same race (different ways of thinking)
Umm, To keep this with in the same idea as the original post, I think it is possible for Thailand to have race riots. All it takes is a big influx of different races.

[Jeaxatoem]

Quote[/b] (rcalaimo @ Mar. 05 2004,16:08)]I know someone will say but the US is constantly fighting. It seems to me that mono- poked the stick a little to much and caused a reaction.

To me it seems otherwise. To me it appears that the US in the world is like an elephant in the chinaware shop. But let's not get there...

Quote[/b] ]Now on the other side of the coin, mono- societies tend to wage war with other mono societies for different reasons.

Do I understand you correctly that, while multis have race riots, monos have wars? If so, then you seem to imply here that war happens exclusively between monocultural societies. I think that's a bit oversimplified. The Ottoman Empire, for instance, was one of the most diverse multicultural nations of its time - and also one of the most aggressive colonizers.

I would just say, war happens, period. Thus, multicultural societies have a double burden of dealing with enmity not only from within, but also from outside the country.

Yet, multiculturalism still happens despite all of these disadvantages - a sure indicator that it has benefits that outweigh the vices.

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Quote[/b] ]To keep this with in the same idea as the original post, I think it is possible for Thailand to have race riots. All it takes is a big influx of different races.

Hopefully Thailand like all the other common sense Asian countries will never let this happen.

Quote[/b] ]Now on the other side of the coin, mono- societies tend to wage war with other mono societies for different reasons.

Civil war is very common in Multi cultural societies, Just look at the former Yugoslavia and how a war
divided the country after the different races who have been living together for 600 years started to fight.
In Sydney's south west today there was an ethnic gang war between 40 Lebanese and 60 Serbia's narrowly diverted through police intervention, Sydney Australia has one of the highest per head of population police forces in the world, but still has one of the highest crime rates in the world. If our society ran so smoothly it would not be necessary to live in such a huge police state.
WAR well have it in Sydney.