[enurihent]

Just to clarify - if I was a swede, I wouldn't vote SD just as I as a dane doesn't vote DF, but neither do I vote for EL (enhedslisten), but despite I think that they are just as outdated as DNSAP, I still support that they are heard on same level as all other parties

[dolaBeetCeage]

In Norwegian TV debates, even the silly sofa commies in Red, who got something like 0.2% or 0.4% in the last election, is represented...

[Aozenee]

I do think SD should have been invited to participate, but I'm not crying rivers that they aren't. It's enough of a farce as it is. Commie parties that can't get 0.1% should not, however.

In a perfect world only the two biggest parties (m and s) would be allowed in TV debates. All the others are pretty useless and really need to be destroyed.

[DevaRextusidis]

Uhn, no offense, but I asked if you could translate your own gibberish into something comprehensible



Well, you guessed right - we do have similiar debates Though, there is a small difference. If I get that article right, then SD wasn't there wich I as a dane find a bit strange (not because of SD's policies etc, but simply because a party that is almos certain to get over the 4 % limit isn't represented).

Again, that is probably due to the differences in how parties is allowed to join the game - here you need a pretty strong support to be considered eligible , but when you are that, you participate on (almost) same terms as already represented parties. For example our Christ democrats that hasn't been able to pass our 2 % limit for years, but has been able to collect enough subscribers (?) to be considered an electable party - they would have been invited to a simliar session as that article describes.

At a typical election every electable party will be given a chance to present their program in a 1/2 hour program - first the party are allowed to air their own presentation of their party program and are then grilled by a cople of journalists. Please note that even non represented parties get this.

Just before the actual voting, there is a grand debate where all parties is given equal speaking time - also those not in parliament.

do you have any articles about said debates. also the reason SD are not there isnt that they might not make the 4% but the fact that they didnt make it last year. and as such are not in the parlament.
atleast its a clear cutoff, and a rule that doesnt disciminate political views in anyway. unlike you we have alot more parties and haveing a clear cutoff is better then someone arbitrary picking one.

and other then the debate in question it works about the same in sweden as in denmark. all the party leaders get interviewed all over the place and SD gets just as many.

if we merge you and Nikolai in this thread, we have jimmie akesson(leader of SD). you two have basicly played out there entire election strategy in here.

[Redys]

Why not just ban all parties except the largest - that would solve all these annoying things that democracy brings ?

Ask any American. There's a great deal of difference between two parties and one.

Having only two parties would present the voters with a choice of two clearly defined alternatives. Not like now, when nobody can be quite sure which parties will cooperate and who will be invited into the government.

I must say though that I'm quite pleased with the recent set up we've got going. The Red-Green bloc and the Alliance are practically like only two parties. It's just that I don't want to hear from all of the incompetents in the small parties. Capable and pragmatic people are drawn to big and moderate parties, while smaller parties attract kooks and idealists.

[alskdjreyfd]

Personally I feel smaller parties are more dangerous because it's a shorter way to the top, and they usually have no practical experience with ruling. They seem more clean and fresh only because they very rarely have to take responsiblity for any decisions. What's worse, they might come to cherish their "uncompromising" image and never be able to work with anyone else satisfactorily.

More power to smaller parties means we'll end up with post-election gridlock as everyone blocks everyone else. This is what's going on in Netherlands and Belgium and why they are unable to form lasting governments. I much prefer our way.

[NiliSpuppypax]

Poly Scandinavians fighting amongst themselves.

So SD is listed on your chart as yellow, does that mean they are the liberal party? Yet they are a racist party?

No, but red, green and blue were taken so they got yellow. They are a nostalgic party. Basically they want to turn back time on society 40-50 years. Socially conservative and center-left economically IMO.

They want to stop immigration almost completely and fight 'islamization'. This is what most people know about them, and consider the kind of people that are drawn to this message (like the news articles I posted before). I'm not lying when I say they are a contradictory and diverse party, but that's not necessarily a good thing.

Instead of immigration they want to spend money old people, like in the ad. Harsher sentences to fight crime. Re-introduce conscription (it was just abolished) and bring our troops back from Afghanistan. They want the state to run the schools again. I think they're against gay marriage but they might be more discreet with that since it emerged they were quite popular with readers of a gay magazine.

[Dreaming]

It's a disgrace. He was attacked when throwing out garbage and forced inside at knifepoint. They held him for 20 mins, beat him and cut him, and left with his computer. He says in the papers though that the hospital told him there might not be any permanent scars so maybe it was just a superficial cut.

Apparently it's not even a first for him. He was attacked with a knife in March after handing out flyers at a high school. I think the picture is another incident. It says he's a "people hater" and a "racist pig".

[Loolasant]

How disappointing.

[Cydayshosse]

Yes, politics stirs up emotion, and when you so clearly identify a group as the object of your (verbal) attacks this is even more so, but you realize that works the other way too? I'll try to explain.

Critics can hardly complain of a lack for voice and have no reason to resort to violence to get their "message" out. They have been and continue to be heard in newspapers, on TV, on radio, on facebook and out in public. I hear criticism of SD by a factor of 10 than their own statements and I usually don't go looking for either.

Representatives of SD at all levels have been examined by the media up and down for incriminating or embarrassing actions or statements unlike how any other party is treated. Members have been fired from their jobs when their political affiliations became known, others expelled from their union. (This is what we did to known communists during the cold war.)

All major parties have distanced themselves from them and rather compete to present themselves as the least like them. This is fine by me, it's a part of politics and it's fair to argue that SDers sometimes revel in their role as "martyrs" or outsiders and fighting the "establishment".

The same day of the attack SD held a rally at Gustav Adolf's square in Malmö - attended by the attacked politician and probably his attackers too - which resembled a riot: bottles, eggs, firecrackers thrown, masked individuals skulking around looking for a fight, and assault charges brought. The counter-demo was supposed to just be a lot of booing, but that it was derailed was not a surprise. More or less, this is what we have come to expect now.


Dierct quote: "It is thanks to this kind of thing that we will get into parliament."


http://www.sydsvenskan.se/malmo/arti...e-i-Malmo.html

But it doesn't stop there. Insults, threats, smashed cars, smashed windows on their homes, slurs written on their walls, and even assaults have been a fairly regular occurance for SDers and their family members, and it seems to just get worse as they get closer to entering parliament.

So when I heard about the latest attack I didn't think: "Finally, somebody gets one in on those bullies." I thought "No, not again" and "Where will it end?"

For example, here's something from 2007:

The girlfriend of a leading Sweden Democrat politician was attacked on Wednesday at the couple's home in Bromma in west Stockholm.

Late in the afternoon the 19-year-old woman was found bound with duct tape in a stairwell of the apartment block where she lives with Martin Kinnunen, chairman of the youth wing of the far-right Sweden Democrats.

The woman was taken to hospital but did not have any serious physical injuries and was able to return home during the evening.

Martin Kinnunen told news agency TT that his girlfriend was still shocked after the day's events.

Earlier in the day three men had forced their way into the couple's apartment and held the 19-year-old at knife point. She was bound with duct tape and taken out to the stairwell before the men left the scene.

Martin Kinnunen is convinced that the threat was in fact directed at him.

"In recent weeks we have received a lot of threats. There have been strange phone calls and we have seen people outside our apartment late at night," he said.

"They also told her that I should watch out. Otherwise something much worse would happen in the future."

According to the police, Kinnunen has previously reported threats made against him.

"We can't rule out that there was a political motive," said spokesman Björn Engström. http://www.thelocal.se/8201/20070816/

Then in 2009:

Three women were sentenced to prison on Wednesday for assaulting the girlfriend of the spokesperson for the far-right Sweden Democrats.

Martin Kinnunen and his girlfriend were walking near Gullmarsplan south of Stockholm in the late evening hours at the close of Sweden’s National Day on June 6th.

A group of people accosted the couple, who were thrown to the ground where they were kicked and hit with brass knuckles.

Two of the women were arrested the night of the attack, with a third being arrested two weeks later.

Both Kinnunen and his girlfriend sought treatment at a nearby hospital following the attack.

According to the court, there was no doubt that the assault was politically motivated.

Sentences for the three women varied between ten and twenty months.

While the women were convicted for assaulting Kinnunen’s girlfriend, they were acquitted of charges that they also beat the Sweden Democrat spokesperson.

In the eyes of the court, there was no doubt that Kinnunen was also attacked on the night in question, but the judges ultimately ruled that there was a lack of evidence indicating that the three women had also been responsible for assaulting the Sweden Democrat spokesperson. http://www.thelocal.se/20844/20090722/

Kinnunen himself was also attacked, but likely by a different group of masked men that were not identified. After this he has withdrawn from politics and moved to Germany.

These do not appear to be disconnected events by lone, hurt individuals acting on emotion. They more resemble concerted campaigns by violent leftist groups (disclaimer: the recent attackers are unknown) aimed at silencing certain individuals and forcing them out of politics. I think that is pretty worrying even though I don't care for their arguments, which I find crude, and their solutions which are none of the kind.

[Bvghbopz]

I've never been an optimist. I predicted 6+ remember?
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/1...=1#post5719815

Anyway, SD are usually high in United Minds polls. They were at 6.5% mid-August.

In the most recent Sifo poll they got 4.6, the government coalition got 51.7 and the opposition 42.
http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/st...en_5305037.svd

[frequensearules]

These elections are a big joke. And the media is so silent about it as well, I find it interesting. There's definitely political violence, systematic intimidation of a minority political group, harassment of the process of voting and polls, and also systematic sabotage of the process.

I don't know much about SD, but I don't care who they are. The nazi card is freaking old. Anyone pulling it out, and then at the same time not strongly condemning the action of what has been taken place are in my opinion the most dangerous element in Sweden right now, the extremes. I'm not very political, all I have to say is that SD is being attacked in all ways and violence and intimidation is occurring, and this somehow is NOT alarming? Of course it's always the small group of extremes, but I find this ANTIFA a group to be watched closely if I was SÄPO. They all call themselves the righteous ones, the path of justice, and whatever. All have the RIGHT cause. I'm talking, of course, about the terrorists.