[Fededorbprago]

Many conservatives believe this is because blacks are genetically inferior to whites. Many conservatives argue that people who are smarter tend to go on to college more, and because whites are more intelligent than blacks, there are more whites in college. What conservatives believe this? Klansmen?

[HonestSean]

Why not compare the intelligence of Black children adopted by upper-middle-class White families to the intelligence of White children adopted by upper-middle-class White families?

This would ensure that all children being studied are brought up in the most favorable family environment. Minimizing most of the differences that emerge between the groups due to environmental factors (prenatal environment still remains however).

Oh wait someone already did this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneso...Adoption_Study

Also you should read htis paper by Jensen and Rhuston
http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf

[egexgfczc]

What conservatives believe this?

Radical traditionalists ala the ones seen at Alterntive right.

[AM1VV9r6]

Why not compare the intelligence of Black children adopted by upper-middle-class White families to the intelligence of White children adopted by upper-middle-class White families?

This would ensure that all children being studied are brought up in the most favorable family environment. Minimizing most of the differences that emerge between the groups due to environmental factors (prenatal environment still remains however).

Oh wait someone already did this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneso...Adoption_Study

Also you should read htis paper by Jensen and Rhuston
http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf

Congratulations! You have provided counter-evidence, without any clue as to how we could aggregate the latter with the former.

[RemiVedia]

OK, let's get to the point then.

If it is shown that variations within a race are greater than variations between the averages of two races, why wouldn't you want to simply kick out the morons of your own ilk and replace them with smart Africans? Why are you so ****ing concerned with skin color?

[enasseneiff]

Perhaps the most dramatic example is the Northern Irish. Even though they come from the same ethnic group, Catholics (the discriminated minority) score 15 points lower on IQ tests than Protestants.

Link?

[Rememavotscam]

While they aren't completely worthless, they are not great either.


c.f. pedotard

They're as highly correlated with income as any other predictive variable observable before university

IIRC rho > 0.5

Probably even more correlated with academic achievement..

[apodildNoli]

Where do you find a significant concentration of smart Africans?

There are dozens of millions of very smart Africans in Africa. One could easily allow them to migrate to a developed country and it would be a short and medium term boon for the country (and a disaster for Africa if they don't eventually return and make kids there).

The US population of recent African immigrants is close to this mark, they also apparently don't like US Blacks that much, a few of their communities probably do exist in the US.

I know this isn't your real point, your point is that they may not regress towards that mean.
But considering how strong a predictor class and IQ is in the US for how one chooses his spouse one basically already has such breeding populations.

The IQs of children of Black parents with a high IQ regress to a lower mean than children of White parents with the same IQ.

[Ekzamenov]

The article in the OP claims that the Scottish are discriminated against in Britain. This suggestion is wrong, stupid and in itself prejudiced. Nor do I believe that Scots score lower in IQ tests. I expect the person who wrote the article is a liar and/or an idiot.

I also think that 'poly should stop obsessing about IQ.

[Anamehuskeene]

The trick of course is that such a population would need to be isolated genetically from the wider black community for a longer period of time just like the Jews where (nearly all of the 40% European admixture is Southern European suggesting early admixture then stabilization and isolation).

This currently isn't happening with the higher Black US classes. Also affirmative action distorts the dynamics.

[jamisi]

actual intelligence

define

[Ekrbcbvh]

If the ability to create wealth is based on your circumstances when you grow up combined with innate intelligence, we could produce much more wealth by identifying those with high innate intelligence and ensuring they are provided superior conditions growing up.

[Ygxejxox]

Ask a ****ing psychologist, dude, I can't give you a rigorous answer to that.

You can't give me a rigorous answer because even the "****ing psychologists" don't really know.

Which was the point, of course.

But I can draw the line at something directly affected by the amount of money you have growing up (as in, if you took two identical twins, one grew up in NoVA and the other grew up in a Chicago slum, who would be more likely to score higher?)

Well that's just dumb. You think a definition of "intelligence" must completely exclude non-genetic factors*? What purpose does that serve? How does that restriction make the idea of "intelligence" more useful?

*if you start talking about epigenetics and such I will walk upstairs and punch you in the face.

[Nakforappealp]

Poverty creates IQ differences ...what?

[RBJamez]

...what?

It does. Even in strict terms like due to malnutrition in the womb and in youth.

[MiniBoy]

But how correlated are those with actual intelligence when you consider poverty and such?

????

Can you please formulate this in terms that I can understand?

[shashaffff]

VJ:

You are way underestimating the importance of nutrition in child development. Not saying the average 'disadvantaged' group in the US has that level of average malnutrition to effect IQ's, but it definitely comes into play if you're talking about the IQ's of Somalis or something. There's no way if a pregnant woman isn't getting enough food or the right breakdown of nutrients that her child who then spends his life not getting the right food, is going to be smart enough to do well on an IQ test!

[spoddersedpn]

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...2/ai_15173055/

What is the impact of infant nutrition on later development? Alan Lucas, head of infant and child nutrition, Dunn Nutrition Centre, Cambridge, England, led a research team which found that infants fed mother's milk with a formula supplement for four weeks postnatally had a significantly higher IQ at seven-and-a-half to eight years of age than those who received only formula. There was an 8.3 point advantage in IQ, after adjusting for differences between groups in mother's education and socioeconomic status.

[Glipseagrilia]

It's funny how we Scottish Americans are ranked #2 in college graduation rates. I suspect the only reason Russians are so high is because it's hard for them to immigrate unless they have a college degree so there is a selection for college educated people when deciding who gets to come here.

[Qesomud]

bah, Russians are a superior race, if this statistic does not prove this, nothing else does.