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**Goseciwx** · 06-10-2010, 01:03 AM

Do smart people done sperm?

**SallyIsNice5** · 06-10-2010, 01:05 AM

You do recall I used to work at a health store that did just this?

As for my Christianity, didn't I already say that my skepticism helped make me a believer? The only other option is Nihilism, and I'm not going there.

**pataagusata** · 06-10-2010, 01:12 AM

I believe that Christ died on the cross, and rose from the dead three days after being buried in the tomb.

I believe that he is the Son of God, and that he was both God and man.

I believe the counter arguments (ie, he didn't die, the disciples stole the body, etc) to be less compelling than him dying and rising again.

I'm amused by nihilists who comment on how unbelievable Christianity is, while accepting the existance of Caesar and Alexander.

**bingookenoo** · 06-10-2010, 01:18 AM

I believe that Christ died on the cross, and rose from the dead three days after being buried in the tomb.

I believe that he is the Son of God, and that he was both God and man.

I believe the counter arguments (ie, he didn't die, the disciples stole the body, etc) to be less compelling than him dying and rising again.

I'm amused by nihilists who comment on how unbelievable Christianity is, while accepting the existance of Caesar and Alexander.

I'm not going to argue against Christianity per se, but I will argue against your reasoning. Why do you think Maniac is a nihilist? There a few workable models besides nihilism for atheists (the simples one being "not thinking about the point of life too deeply", other options include secular humanism, transhumanism, familialism, existentialism and of course various overman philosophical approaches).

**Ikrleprl** · 06-10-2010, 01:26 AM

Do smart people done sperm?

I think the average donor is probably average. In any case this isn't about hte average donor.

Here in Slovenia you get to pick somone who looks like the infertile dad and that's about it, you can find out their level of education and a few health related facts but that's it.

In America its a buisness, much more info is available. All you need is for just a few donors to be above average and people will buy up their sperm.

**Clarissa** · 06-10-2010, 01:28 AM

LSAT? Are they all lawyers?

**enasseneiff** · 06-10-2010, 01:38 AM

LSAT? Are they all lawyers?

Some of them are. And people can find out the occupation of the donor and pick on that criteria as well.

I also used LSAT since it correlates with IQ pretty well. Things like MEAP, NLSY MCAT can also be ok proxies.

**anderriter** · 06-10-2010, 01:45 AM

GMAT is a joke

**Wachearex** · 06-10-2010, 01:47 AM

GRE

Also correlates pretty well if I recall right.

GMAT

Don't recall hearing this ever mentioned as a reliable proxy.

To add another example WISC quite logically correlates with IQ.

**MannoFr** · 06-10-2010, 01:50 AM

As to poverty and inteligence, this depends on how meritocratic a society is, it also probably has a few envirnomental feedbacks. I'm not nesecarily saying there is a large difference once one controls for this, but you must admit that a slight difference probably does exist even in rigid societies.

Sure. But if you favour eugenics, I feel you should support left-wing meritocratic equal-chances policies rather than the right-wing plutocratic vibes I'm getting from you in this thread.

It's useless for making any form of ethical system. Truth is truth regardless of whether it's useful to make an ethical system that can work for all society. Why is it so hard to hold whatever moral values you have without needing to justify them with Christian "facts"?

**formobilagsw** · 06-10-2010, 02:00 AM

Ben's argument:
1. People suck
2. ?
3. Therefore God exists!
4. ?
5. Therefore I should be a good person

ftfy

**entaifsfets** · 06-10-2010, 02:03 AM

That's circular logic.

**OmqMZtkv** · 06-10-2010, 02:06 AM

Yep, no naturalistic explanations for morality. /sarcasm

**tiereenny** · 06-10-2010, 02:08 AM

Yep, no naturalistic explanations for morality So it's ok to kill people and eat them? Animals do that all the time. People make tasty snacks that can fill you right up.

**Qdkczrdi** · 06-10-2010, 02:22 AM

I don't understand why he has a compulsive desire to troll, so God must have done it. Hallelujah!

**chuecalovers** · 06-10-2010, 02:40 AM

I remember how angry you got in one of these discussions when I missed a post and the thread had fallen off the front page.

That was when I still thought you were engaging in honest dialogue. I think it's been a long time since anybody's made that mistake.

**MaraReenece** · 06-10-2010, 02:48 AM

I'm not sure how my response is in anyway a troll.

Either you're lying or you're retarded.

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SallyIsNice5 Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 553 Senior Member	You do recall I used to work at a health store that did just this? As for my Christianity, didn't I already say that my skepticism helped make me a believer? The only other option is Nihilism, and I'm not going there. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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pataagusata Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 800 Senior Member	I believe that Christ died on the cross, and rose from the dead three days after being buried in the tomb. I believe that he is the Son of God, and that he was both God and man. I believe the counter arguments (ie, he didn't die, the disciples stole the body, etc) to be less compelling than him dying and rising again. I'm amused by nihilists who comment on how unbelievable Christianity is, while accepting the existance of Caesar and Alexander. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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bingookenoo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 380 Senior Member	I believe that Christ died on the cross, and rose from the dead three days after being buried in the tomb. I believe that he is the Son of God, and that he was both God and man. I believe the counter arguments (ie, he didn't die, the disciples stole the body, etc) to be less compelling than him dying and rising again. I'm amused by nihilists who comment on how unbelievable Christianity is, while accepting the existance of Caesar and Alexander. I'm not going to argue against Christianity per se, but I will argue against your reasoning. Why do you think Maniac is a nihilist? There a few workable models besides nihilism for atheists (the simples one being "not thinking about the point of life too deeply", other options include secular humanism, transhumanism, familialism, existentialism and of course various overman philosophical approaches). Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Ikrleprl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 534 Senior Member	Do smart people done sperm? I think the average donor is probably average. In any case this isn't about hte average donor. Here in Slovenia you get to pick somone who looks like the infertile dad and that's about it, you can find out their level of education and a few health related facts but that's it. In America its a buisness, much more info is available. All you need is for just a few donors to be above average and people will buy up their sperm. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Clarissa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 441 Senior Member	LSAT? Are they all lawyers? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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enasseneiff Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 429 Senior Member	LSAT? Are they all lawyers? Some of them are. And people can find out the occupation of the donor and pick on that criteria as well. I also used LSAT since it correlates with IQ pretty well. Things like MEAP, NLSY MCAT can also be ok proxies. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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anderriter Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 540 Senior Member	GMAT is a joke Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Wachearex Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 426 Senior Member	GRE Also correlates pretty well if I recall right. GMAT Don't recall hearing this ever mentioned as a reliable proxy. To add another example WISC quite logically correlates with IQ. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-10-2010, 01:50 AM	#30
MannoFr Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 4,451 Senior Member	As to poverty and inteligence, this depends on how meritocratic a society is, it also probably has a few envirnomental feedbacks. I'm not nesecarily saying there is a large difference once one controls for this, but you must admit that a slight difference probably does exist even in rigid societies. Sure. But if you favour eugenics, I feel you should support left-wing meritocratic equal-chances policies rather than the right-wing plutocratic vibes I'm getting from you in this thread. It's useless for making any form of ethical system. Truth is truth regardless of whether it's useful to make an ethical system that can work for all society. Why is it so hard to hold whatever moral values you have without needing to justify them with Christian "facts"? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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formobilagsw Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 539 Senior Member	Ben's argument: 1. People suck 2. ? 3. Therefore God exists! 4. ? 5. Therefore I should be a good person ftfy Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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entaifsfets Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 429 Senior Member	That's circular logic. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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OmqMZtkv Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 399 Senior Member	Yep, no naturalistic explanations for morality. /sarcasm Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-10-2010, 02:08 AM	#34
tiereenny Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 391 Senior Member	Yep, no naturalistic explanations for morality So it's ok to kill people and eat them? Animals do that all the time. People make tasty snacks that can fill you right up. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-10-2010, 02:22 AM	#35
Qdkczrdi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 505 Senior Member	I don't understand why he has a compulsive desire to troll, so God must have done it. Hallelujah! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-10-2010, 02:40 AM	#36
chuecalovers Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 462 Senior Member	I remember how angry you got in one of these discussions when I missed a post and the thread had fallen off the front page. That was when I still thought you were engaging in honest dialogue. I think it's been a long time since anybody's made that mistake. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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MaraReenece Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 422 Senior Member	I'm not sure how my response is in anyway a troll. Either you're lying or you're retarded. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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