[zueqhbyhp]

For once DRoseDARs and I agree.

"Indignantly flabbergasted" doesn't quite express the outrage. He's Jesse Jackson, but friendlier. Al Roker, but less entertaining. The man is a wretched piece of Human filth on several fronts; it isn't just about the blacks. Though, in light of the earlier Dobson fiasco, one wonders if Rick Warren knows he has an ideological battle brewing in his midst between his core (which include the 7 or so open traditionalist members) and moderates who keep bringing these f*ckwits out to speak on behalf of the campaign/administration-in-waiting.

[xgnuwdd]

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about but it seems like it is just about teh gheys.

*proud to say he has no idea who Donnie McClurkin is

[LillyPlay]

I just at the "Progressive" Obama supporters. It seems like you wus betrayed!!

[DrBrightonone]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
anti-choice And now I say to you.

[MaickiP]

Originally posted by Elok
And now I say to you. If you knew what you were talking about, your post might mean something. You obviously don't know my position despite having posted it several times over the years here.

[TimoPizaz]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Just call him anti-life and be done with it. Originally posted by DRoseDARs
If you knew what you were talking about, your post might mean something. You obviously don't know my position despite having posted it several times over the years here.

[ssiikmuz]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
If you knew what you were talking about, your post might mean something. You obviously don't know my position despite having posted it several times over the years here. Well, if I called you a sodomite, but you weren't familiar with my exact and nuanced position, would you...

Ah, to hell with it. You're Pro-Dead-Baby. Thanks DD

[Vedun*]

Ah, to hell with it. You're Pro-Dead-Baby. Thanks DD

[Thifiadardivy]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Screenshot or it didn't happen. The only reference I can find to contraversey on his wiki was teh gheys blaming him and the Mormons for the failiures of thier leaders during the Prop 8 campaign. Agreed. Unless you've got some proof, you may be confusing Rick Warren with some of those other famous preachers. From what I've heard he hardly seems in the same category.

Unless Christian + anti-gay marriage = evil Nazi bigot, then of course Obama is also an evil Nazi bigot.

[77rexulceme]

Originally posted by OzzyKP


Agreed. Unless you've got some proof, you may be confusing Rick Warren with some of those other famous preachers. From what I've heard he hardly seems in the same category.

Unless Christian + anti-gay marriage = evil Nazi bigot, then of course Obama is also an evil Nazi bigot. Ozzy, there's Christian, then there's Evangelical Christian. You know know damn well Evangelicals are more conservative than mainstream Christians. Only the African Evangelicals are more conservative than ours.

[DrKirkNoliss]

Originally posted by TCO
Rev Wright is covering it. So Obama has come to his senses then and changed his mind about Rick Warren?

I read this article this morning about Obama's choice for a speaker at the inaugural. I was going to post a thread asking whether or not Obama is schizophrenic.

He publicaly does not actively support the cause for equal marriage rights for gays but I believe he privately is open minded to this.

He has appointed at least one, maybe two, openly gay persons to his administration. Yet, he associated himself with an ex-gay person during the campaign.

He says he will repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" policy and revoke the stupid Defense of Marriage Act.


But now, here we are with the pendulum having swung in the other direction, hitting gays in the face with Obama's original choice for Warren. What is Rev. Wright's full name so I can google him? I want to know if this reverend is much more reasonable and humane than Warren. I'm hoping you're right, that Obama has changed his mind on Warren.

[hubua990]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


No:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_left This is the first time I've ever heard the term "Evangelical Left" and it sounds like a touchy-feely way of combating the Evangelicals by stealing and diluting the term Evangelical. That's got to stick in their craw.



Look, as I can't find the quotes about groups going to Hell and women in faith leadership I'm looking for, I'm willing to let them go as hearsay until I can find the actual quotes, but his positions on abortion and gays is not something that's well-hidden. He's against stem-cell research, abortion, has supported Ugandan efforts to maintain illegality for homosexuality, and against gay marriage/unions. Maybe MrFun will have better luck find the more unseemly comments this guy has made about people other than gays (hint hint, MrFun).

As for abortion and my position, that's (again) for another thread.

Some other items before I head to bed:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_151877.html

This is from just prior to the Saddleback forum:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...he-candidates/

Right-wing Watch on him:
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/catego...ls/rick-warren

[intorkercet]

TCO was making a joke, you boob.

[TerriLS]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
TCO was making a joke, you boob.
So Obama is sticking with Warren.

I wonder what his administrative office appointees who happen to be gay think of this.


And now I've just remembered who Rev. Wright is. The insane black reverend whom Obama was formerly associated with.

[Worseacar]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
This is the first time I've ever heard the term "Evangelical Left" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology , mainstream since 80s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_left , mainstream since ~2004

[SaraKonradtt]

Democratic Underground.

[ChebuRAtoR]

I might have been wrong. The next four years may be fun to watch after all.

[janeseymore09092]

Rev. Rick Warren is more than a one-trick pony: He has made anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, anti-non-Evangelical Christian and anti-gay comments (and was one of the main players in the push for Prop 8), he trash-talked Obama after that Saddleback Faith Forum charade, he's anti-choice and doesn't want women in faith leadership positions. I can't help but laugh at the folks here blasting the big O for associating with Warren, when the rest of us normal folks are blasting him for associating with Obama.

[Queuerriptota]

Considering how the vote went, I think I'd have to beg to differ on the "normal folk" nominclature as being applied there Prop 8 had more proportionate supporters in CA then Obama had as a proportionate across the nation.

So I daresay Mr. Warren is just slightly more popular, given that it's CA of all places.

[18holesin]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Prop 8 had more proportionate supporters in CA then Obama had as a proportionate across the nation. If over 50% of the voters in the national election aren't "normal folk", you must be using a definition of 'normal' which doesn't exist .