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**N1bNXuDb** · 07-31-2008, 04:41 PM

My eyes hurt.

**NarhozNic** · 07-31-2008, 04:48 PM

Adjustable rate loans are a HUGE mistake.

**Hlennisal** · 07-31-2008, 05:14 PM

It is the fault of both the borrowers and the lenders, I have zero sympathy for either if the contracts were followed to the letter. The lender is respobsible for its own losses, the borrower for theirs.

Well, I do symathize, but I don't excuse them.

**Nautilus** · 07-31-2008, 05:42 PM

she tried to make big bucks by speculating on an area in which she wasn't an expert on, and got burned

darwin award

**tramdoctorsss** · 07-31-2008, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by Arrian

The lenders are supposed to be experts at what they do. So I shed no tears for them, and I'm ripshit about bailouts for their stupid mistakes.

I do sympathize with individual borrowers, to a point. But they do have responsibility here too. The more savvy the individual, the less sympathy I have.

-Arrian The problem is the guys who originated the loans just sold them off to other investors (read: suckers), so the normal lender risk involved was passed on to third parties.

**AnIInWon** · 07-31-2008, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by DinoDoc
may its name live in infamy Why? The company didn't kill her. What should they have done given the families non-payment and the fact they aren't running a charity?[q] The're just making so much profit off of people that they want to kill themselves because of it. That's all.

**Narus63** · 07-31-2008, 07:11 PM

Can I post about how Cuba has the highest suicide rate in North and Central America? I mean, I'm pretty sure I can link that to communism...

**Munccoughe** · 07-31-2008, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by rmsharpe
Can I post about how Cuba has the highest suicide rate in North and Central America? I mean, I'm pretty sure I can link that to communism... It's barely more than the US. On the other hand the US rate is over twice as much as in VE.

**Roamsaffots** · 07-31-2008, 08:02 PM

That James Grant article is very interesting.

**Impariclainna** · 07-31-2008, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by Felch
Why these overreactions? Bankruptcy sucks, but it's not worth killing yourself. Exactly.

**WeissVine** · 07-31-2008, 08:32 PM

When people are depressed/stressed, they don't always do rational things. Difficulty in finance is a well known source of depression/stress.

JM

**Obenuearema** · 07-31-2008, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by rmsharpe

Well, maybe we should also count the number of boat refugees that have died fleeing their country. Are you going to count the number of Mexicans who die coming to the U.S. too? How about Haitians?

**penpizdes** · 07-31-2008, 09:04 PM

Are you going to count the number of Mexicans who die coming to the U.S. too? How about Haitians? Sure, but increasing the numbers for Haiti and Mexico won't change the ratio betwen the US and Cuba.

**bWn4h8QD** · 07-31-2008, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by Lorizael

The actions of depressed/stressed people are often quite rational. Yes. Sometimes continuing to exist is irrational for them.

While it is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, if the problem is effectively a no-win scenario, not playing the game may be the most palatable option in a slew of unfortunate ones.

**FloareTraurne** · 07-31-2008, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

You are such a sexist pig. Thanks Che! Why so?

**FjFHQLJQ** · 07-31-2008, 09:19 PM

Is shoving a dollar in a G-string supporting women? Well I suppose it is. I'm with Che on this one. However I don't do that so likely I am not supporting women and am therefore a sexist.

I can see where once I was blind.

**YonkFiorc** · 07-31-2008, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by VJ
I'd just like to point out how priceless it is how someone who routinely used (...uses? dunno if you're still doing it) strip clubs and claimed to support women with a straight face by doing so uses the label "sexist" to anyone who disagrees with his far-left political views

When you join us in the world of rationality, I'll have a response for you.

**tefraxKedWere** · 07-31-2008, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

When you join us in the world of rationality, I'll have a response for you.
Woah, total cop-out.

**9Goarveboofe** · 07-31-2008, 10:23 PM

**UlceskLialels** · 07-31-2008, 10:35 PM

The OP overlooked mentioning Shay's Rebellion in western Massachusettes in the 1780's. It closed down courthouses in order to halt foreclosures.

The Articles of Conferderation had no provision whereby the central government could sent military aid to a State. This weakness was the final kick in the pants to the founders, leading to the adoption of the Constitution.

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Hlennisal Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 504 Senior Member	It is the fault of both the borrowers and the lenders, I have zero sympathy for either if the contracts were followed to the letter. The lender is respobsible for its own losses, the borrower for theirs. Well, I do symathize, but I don't excuse them. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Nautilus Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 446 Senior Member	she tried to make big bucks by speculating on an area in which she wasn't an expert on, and got burned darwin award Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-31-2008, 06:22 PM	#5
tramdoctorsss Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 619 Senior Member	Originally posted by Arrian The lenders are supposed to be experts at what they do. So I shed no tears for them, and I'm ripshit about bailouts for their stupid mistakes. I do sympathize with individual borrowers, to a point. But they do have responsibility here too. The more savvy the individual, the less sympathy I have. -Arrian The problem is the guys who originated the loans just sold them off to other investors (read: suckers), so the normal lender risk involved was passed on to third parties. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-31-2008, 06:33 PM	#6
AnIInWon Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 556 Senior Member	Originally posted by DinoDoc may its name live in infamy Why? The company didn't kill her. What should they have done given the families non-payment and the fact they aren't running a charity?[q] The're just making so much profit off of people that they want to kill themselves because of it. That's all. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Narus63 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 383 Senior Member	Can I post about how Cuba has the highest suicide rate in North and Central America? I mean, I'm pretty sure I can link that to communism... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Munccoughe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 544 Senior Member	Originally posted by rmsharpe Can I post about how Cuba has the highest suicide rate in North and Central America? I mean, I'm pretty sure I can link that to communism... It's barely more than the US. On the other hand the US rate is over twice as much as in VE. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Roamsaffots Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 509 Senior Member	That James Grant article is very interesting. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Impariclainna Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 469 Senior Member	Originally posted by Felch Why these overreactions? Bankruptcy sucks, but it's not worth killing yourself. Exactly. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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WeissVine Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 533 Senior Member	When people are depressed/stressed, they don't always do rational things. Difficulty in finance is a well known source of depression/stress. JM Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Obenuearema Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 442 Senior Member	Originally posted by rmsharpe Well, maybe we should also count the number of boat refugees that have died fleeing their country. Are you going to count the number of Mexicans who die coming to the U.S. too? How about Haitians? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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penpizdes Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 468 Senior Member	Are you going to count the number of Mexicans who die coming to the U.S. too? How about Haitians? Sure, but increasing the numbers for Haiti and Mexico won't change the ratio betwen the US and Cuba. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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bWn4h8QD Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	Originally posted by Lorizael The actions of depressed/stressed people are often quite rational. Yes. Sometimes continuing to exist is irrational for them. While it is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, if the problem is effectively a no-win scenario, not playing the game may be the most palatable option in a slew of unfortunate ones. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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FloareTraurne Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 553 Senior Member	Originally posted by chegitz guevara You are such a sexist pig. Thanks Che! Why so? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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FjFHQLJQ Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 485 Senior Member	Is shoving a dollar in a G-string supporting women? Well I suppose it is. I'm with Che on this one. However I don't do that so likely I am not supporting women and am therefore a sexist. I can see where once I was blind. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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YonkFiorc Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 425 Senior Member	Originally posted by VJ I'd just like to point out how priceless it is how someone who routinely used (...uses? dunno if you're still doing it) strip clubs and claimed to support women with a straight face by doing so uses the label "sexist" to anyone who disagrees with his far-left political views When you join us in the world of rationality, I'll have a response for you. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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tefraxKedWere Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 392 Senior Member	Originally posted by chegitz guevara When you join us in the world of rationality, I'll have a response for you. Woah, total cop-out. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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UlceskLialels Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 369 Senior Member	The OP overlooked mentioning Shay's Rebellion in western Massachusettes in the 1780's. It closed down courthouses in order to halt foreclosures. The Articles of Conferderation had no provision whereby the central government could sent military aid to a State. This weakness was the final kick in the pants to the founders, leading to the adoption of the Constitution. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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