[anolbom]

[Markdogas]

My grandfather was one of those defenders.

[CiccoineFed]

Originally posted by Serb
My grandfather was one of those defenders. One of my German friends at this forum had a grandpa who lost his leg besieging this city or something

[Broorbbub]

After Stalingrad all the population between Volga and Elbe lost their watches

[Riprincattiva]

Too bad the siege didn't last another year or two. It may have changed post-war dynamics for the better.

[Ayyfjicg]

I kind of wonder how Stalin could accept a gift, even a token gift, from the King of England. I mean I understand that at the peace conference ending the war with Japan Stalin sent other people because he thought it would be unseemly for a communist leader to possibly talk to the Emperor of Japan.

I also understand Stalin and Churchill would often butt heads due to Stalin continually saying Churchill was a lackey for his imperialist masters.

[Vitoethiche]

That's a cool sword.

[zlZ95pjt]

Originally posted by Elok
It's been a while since my HS history classes covered this...weren't the people of Stalingrad basically trapped like rats? I seem to recall the books saying that Stalin threatened to kill anyone who left the city in the face of the Nazis. So it wasn't that they were steel-hearted so much as they were more afraid of Stalin than they were of Nazi soldiers. Just what I read a while ago and never cared enough to confirm or debunk. BS. I'm not surprised though.

[VitaliyMurnov]

Originally posted by Elok
It's been a while since my HS history classes covered this...weren't the people of Stalingrad basically trapped like rats? I seem to recall the books saying that Stalin threatened to kill anyone who left the city in the face of the Nazis. So it wasn't that they were steel-hearted so much as they were more afraid of Stalin than they were of Nazi soldiers. Just what I read a while ago and never cared enough to confirm or debunk. They had enough riffles to shoot all the deserters in the back with but not enough to give the soldiers at the front.

[romalama]

"I represent this scroll to the City of Stalingrad to commemorate our admiration for its gallant defenders whose courage, fortitude, and devotion during the siege of September 13, 1942 to January 31, 1943 will inspire forever the hearts of all free people."

Looks like Roosevelt was wrong. After just 65 years you call them rats.

****ers

[Patabeamn]

WW2 leaders in the west were prepared to turn a blind eye to the evils of Stalin and the Soviet system in order to defeat Facism.

I have no need to turn a blind eye.

[NiliSpuppypax]

Originally posted by Serb
"I represent this scroll to the City of Stalingrad to commemorate our admiration for its gallant defenders whose courage, fortitude, and devotion during the siege of September 13, 1942 to January 31, 1943 will inspire forever the hearts of all free people."

Looks like Roosvelt was wrong. After just 65 years you call them rats.

****ers Not to take anything away from the people who fought there but I don't think that Roosevelt approved of Russian militarism despite that statement.

[carfAball]

Originally posted by Wezil
Kid - Even if Sandman's premise was true... extra capacity would have been required to extend the siege. In the end I still see a defeated Germany and a much weaker Soviet. That's the point I was trying to make, that the German's needed more capacity (more land, people etc) to do anything further with their economy.

[Necedofer]

Originally posted by Serb
Heresson, get out of this thread. I can't hear you anyway.

[Licacivelip]

Where's the sword now?

[ultramDoctoo]

Originally posted by Saras

Heroes of Stalingrad You mean "rats"?

Òû ëó÷øå ìåíÿ íå òðîãàé ñåãîäíÿ, áðàòåëëî. ß î÷åíü íå ëþáëþ êîãäà íà÷èíàþò îñêâåðíÿòü ïàìÿòü íàøèõ ñîëäàò, è îñîáåííî íåíàâèæó ëþäåé, êîòîðûå íàçûâàþò êðûñîé ìîåãî äåäà, êîòîðûé êðîâü â Ñòàëèíãðàäå ïðîëèâàë, è ïðîøåë ÷åðåç òàêîé àä, êîòîðûé çàîêåàíñêèì ãàâíþêàìè íèêîãäà è íå ñíèëñÿ.

[truttyMab]

Originally posted by Perfection
Where's the sword now? In the museum of the Stalingrad Battle, Volgograd City (former Stalingrad).

[Zhgpavye]

German production peaked in 1944, when they'd already lost a lot of land and resources. Notwithstanding, their armaments production was hobbled by not using women workers, being suspicious of mass production, having vast levels of duplication and a lack of interoperability.

[galaktiusman]

"Enemy at teh Gates"



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