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Isn't there a way to do this that will identify and address their concerns?

What sort of adverse outcome are those who oppose it envisioning may take place?

Originally posted by Geronimo
Isn't there a way to do this that will identify and address their concerns?

What sort of adverse outcome are those who oppose it envisioning may take place? A big ****ing waste of money is at the top of my list. Others have notions of privacy at the top of their list.

My driver's licence doesn't have my photograph, let alone my iris pattern and fingerprints.

The cameras aren't all linked into one big database either. The information recorded by them is also destroyed within a short space of time.

Originally posted by Dauphin
My driver's licence doesn't have my photograph, let alone my iris pattern and fingerprints.

The cameras aren't all linked into one big database either. The information recorded by them is also destroyed within a short space of time. Ah. So most people don't have any sort of photo ID at all at present?

Interesting that cameras in public spaces (whose information the government says gets destroyed) were accepted before photo ID on drivers license.

If the Tories are going to scrap ID cards, and they're going to win the next election anyway, this may all be moot, unless Blair is planning one of his "never-reversable-by-future-govts" laws.

Originally posted by Geronimo


Ah. So most people don't have any sort of photo ID at all at present?

Interesting that cameras in public spaces (whose information the government says gets destroyed) were accepted before photo ID on drivers license. Cameras were introduced to monitor public areas during the IRA bombing campaigns. Not the reason for the cameras, but a reason. Drivers' licences and passports could be forged at any rate, images of someone planting a bomb couldn't be detracted from as easily.

Do NOT accept these ID cards... fight them as hard as you can. Just refuse it. Simply refuse it. Refuse to carry one. You know why this is such a joke? Because it has to include, that some kind of penalties will carry over if you refuse this whole idea. Screw that, screw the penalties and the ID card, in fact screw the whole government if they think it's such a good idea. Don't give up. Things like these have other effects.. as in, if it gets installed there, tehre will be another EU country trying to **** soon enough. So, refuse the idea, it's bigger than you.

In all reality how many defacto ID cards do you carry around with you? Social Security Card, Drivers Lincence, Medical Issurance, Auto Insurance, Credit Cards, Bank Card, Library Card, Blockbuster Card?

What is the harm of having a truely secure/modern ID? Especially if the consolidate the funcions of four or five other cards I already have in my wallet. There is no logical reason to be against this. Especially in Britain where they already have telescreens.

It is depressing that you can't see past the stupid big brother paranoia that hinders an idea that can only have positive results. And which will happen eventually everywhere anyways.

The only valid arguement anyone has brought up is cost, and that all depends on your opinion on cost/benefit analysis.

And I forgot to mention passports earlier.

Originally posted by Patroklos
In all reality how many defacto ID cards do you carry around with you? Social Security Card, Drivers Lincence, Medical Issurance, Auto Insurance, Credit Cards, Bank Card, Library Card, Blockbuster Card? With the exception of my passport, I have no photographic ID.

Thus none of them act as proof of my identity.

They will if Labour continue with such hubris.

Originally posted by Patroklos
The new forms of ID cards are very hard to forge, the US military CAT cards for instance. You would have to duplicate all the data on the info chip, and the picture is actually part of the plastic piece so you can't just razor blade it like some state licence. Plus the holograms/forge markings require one of the actual machines to make correctly, which are all controled.

And that is just to copy one, to create a new one you would have to enter an account on the other side of the government system. Plus all the card numbers are cataloged anyways.

And if I heard right these will have fingerpirnt and retina data? Good luck forging those. I for one would be all about someone having a fingerprint/retina scan before using, say, my stolen credit card. Or picking my child up form daycare. Buying firearms/explosives. Entering a military facility. How many everyday Brits do you think buy firearms or explosives, or enters military facilities? If you were picking your kids from day care do you think that the carers might just instead employ the simple check of knowing who you are by experience rather than asking for a retina scan?

The privacy issue is stupid anyways, your credit card transactions are a far better way to track someone than an ID card (since how many places actually check your ID before you use your credit card, lazy ****ers). That reinforces the point that the ID cards for tracking purposes are a waste of money. Add to that, for these cards to be useful in the consolidated form you mention a person will need to be asked to present them just to rent a library book. This seems ridiculous. Even then, consider the 7/7 bombings in London. Please, someone, explain how the ID cards, if implemented as planned, would have done anything to prevent the attack.

You mean cheques?

My driving licence carries a photo http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...smilies/hm.gif

Originally posted by DinoDoc
How do you write checks? You still use cheques?

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You still use cheques? My apartment comples still makes me use checks or money orders.

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
You still use cheques? Yes, why wouldn't I?

Sometimes.

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_card I barely tolerate having a Debit Card. Why would I wish for a Credit Card?

The credit card companies hate people like me. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...es/biggrin.gif