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Old 10-21-2006, 02:45 PM   #1
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One western journalist actually expirienced a human wave attack firsthand.

I believe that that is the main reason why they could never win a fight with a western country even if they had technological parity.

It's just wrong to send children to attack, no way around it.

BTW., because of those tactics and other things, many people think of Iranians as crazy fanatics whom you can't defeat unless you kill them all. It is not so. Iranian casaulties in the war against Iraq, although huge, were still below European casaulties in WWI when seen as percentage of population. Yet Iran had to accept peace because morale collapsed in Teheran.
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Old 10-21-2006, 03:08 PM   #2
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One section of the article deals with the history of suicide attacks in political and religious contexts :


While it is true that in the 1930s, the Muslim Brothers had already established the motto “Victory or Martyrdom”, they aimed at assuring that every Muslim who found himself against his will in a hopeless situation would sacrifice his life rather than capitulate. The Basiji, however, rushed to certain death in a situation that was not hopeless: such a practice was completely alien to the Muslim Brothers. This is the most significant legacy of the Ayatollah Khomeini. The destructive energy that would find its most condensed expression in the attacks of September 11th had its origin in the sacrifice of the Basiji.

It is true that there were already suicide attacks against Israelis in the mid-1970s. But these were the work of Marxist-oriented groups like the PFLP-GC. The first Islamically-motivated suicide attack against Israel took place in southern Lebanon on November 11, 1982. The perpetrator was the 15-year-old Ahmad Qusayr: a follower of the then only just emerging Shia militia, Hizbullah. He had been inspired by the model of the Basiji. Khomeini personally consecrated the act of the 15-year old with a Fatwa. Later, he had a memorial built for Ahmad Qusayr in Tehran.[26] Following the lead of Hizbullah, in 1993 the Sunni Hamas likewise began to employ suicide bombings. In the meanwhile, Khomeini’s innovation has become the calling card of Islamist movements throughout the world.
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Old 10-21-2006, 04:46 PM   #3
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Originally posted by SlowwHand
Vietnam used women and children with bombs strapped on.
Disgusting strategy that clearly points out the differences in attitude separating the west from the rest of the world. Yes, sure. There is a morally superior "west" and there is "barbarity", seperated by an abyss of bomb strapped children.

As if western generals were incapable to think of human material only in terms of number and cost and effect.
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Old 10-21-2006, 05:22 PM   #4
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Golda Meir´s quote hurts so much because it is true
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Old 10-21-2006, 07:39 PM   #5
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Originally posted by SlowwHand
Disgusting strategy that clearly points out the differences in attitude separating the west from the rest of the world.
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Old 10-22-2006, 12:02 AM   #6
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Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Iran easily had the technical capacity to build tanks with flails attached to the front similar to the mine clearing tanks developed by Britain in WW2. And?

The Iranians needed the few tanks they had for something more useful than mine clearence, like fighting.
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Old 10-22-2006, 09:00 PM   #7
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The article is well written, but the author fails to back his obvious dislike of the Iranian regime with logical arguements. He believes that just laying out what occured is enough, as if his arguement were self-evident.

I think that for most people it is enough. If your mind doesn't immediately revolt at the thought of using children as minesweepers, I'm a little disturbed.
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Old 10-22-2006, 09:45 PM   #8
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Originally posted by GePap
Must be my inability to insinuate myself from humanity by simply going into yet another bathroom. I believe you mean "insulate"
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Old 10-22-2006, 10:05 PM   #9
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Originally posted by GePap


I guess I am more in tuned with human history and reality than you. Must be my inability to insinuate myself from humanity by simply going into yet another bathroom. Lack of bathrooms in early childhood leads to inability to spell - FACT!
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