[Oriesssedleli419]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Forthrightness, determination and self-sacrifice Did you mean to post that in the "Attributes of successful suicide attempts" thread?

[Barbshowers]

3 attempts, no rises, bad luck Gimp

[seatlyled]

Is Mrs Horse letting you use the internet again? Go post something on Counterglow. I think Vincent is pining for you.

[Pa33anger]

Great feedback all, thanks Mr Fun

[Coollabioto]

Attributes of manliness seem to be pretty simple. Since being a man is largely a biological concept, these attributes are going to be largely attributes that biology has strived for in terms of male behavior and male physiology. General human traits can be ignored to some extent, as they apply equally to women. They should not be ignored however when they conflict with male attributes, as a workable balance must be kept between them.

Thus I reject to some extent the refusal to see a willingness to spread one's seed, or the willingness to fight as worthy male attributes. These cannot be the sole pursuit of the male. We are social animals and thus these attributes must not be so important to us that our pursuit of them is destructive to our society at large. But they are an important part of our being.

The male is designed to be the protector, and is thus to some extent is expendable. Physical courage is thus an attribute, whether one stands up to protect the group in a violent or dangerous situation, or takes a risk in order to blaze a path for the others to follow, he is displaying an admirable male trait. Part of the expendability of the male means that those men who are left behind should pick up the slack of their fallen brothers, supporting and helping to raise their children if necessary.

Men are not debilitated by child birth or nursing, and should thus be willing and able to sustain their families and their society by being steady providers. They should avoid being a burden to their families and society in general. Supporting people by providing food and shelter is not the only service men can provide their societies however. Due to their relative biological freedom men have tended to be most capable of being the political and religious leaders as well as other specialists within human society. Expanding the knowledge base of the group, helping it to make wise decisions, working for the health and welfare, political stability and moral health of the group are all time-honored male occupations.

[SingleMan]

Originally posted by Spec
What's with all these "man" polls? Are you guys that uncomfortable with your girliness?

Spec. I'm sure your sterling example is a comfort to everyone who questions their own masculinity. After all if you're cool with yourself what do the rest have to worry about?

[Theorsell]

fight fight fight! raise the roof!

[HenriRow]

Endure the nagging wife?

Spec.

[Vagtlaldo]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I'm opposed to the idea of "being a man." Well enjoy your "personhood"

[SIZE=1] I think that people who try to do that are constrained by societal and familial expectations. Also I think it's sexist. IT is . By definition talking about what it is to be a man means making a distinction based on sex, hence sexist.

So what ?

I make such distinctions based on sex all the time. Heck I have even been known to refer to men and women differently, using such inherently sexist words as "he" or "she".

[Stacypettlerr]

Try reading Pekka's post again, but every time he uses "word" replace it with "penis". It makes more sense that way.

[DumnEuronoumn]

Laz, my work here is done

[XarokLasa]

Originally posted by Flubber


Well enjoy your "personhood"



IT is . By definition talking about what it is to be a man means making a distinction based on sex, hence sexist.

So what ?

I make such distinctions based on sex all the time. Heck I have even been known to refer to men and women differently, using such inherently sexist words as "he" or "she". you call people he or she? Shame on you. You are a bad ma... I mean bad person.

[MarlboroCig]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I'm opposed to the idea of "being a man." I think that people who try to do that are constrained by societal and familial expectations. I think it's sexist. What a stupid post.

Who would of thought the idea of "being a man" would be "sexist"? Well of course it is because it is defining the characteristics of a particular gender, the very definition of "sexist".

However, what does that have to do with societal or familial expectations? What's wrong with someone having an original thought for an answer? And for that matter, why the negative attitude towards defining "being a man"?

I hate these kind of reactions that I hear a lot of left-leaning people give. Why is it such a bad thing for men and women to have such ideals? Men and women have different roles in society because they are different! Why is this so hard for many people to just accept? Just because men and women are different doesn't mean they shouldn't be treated equally. But there can be equal treatment without this sort of bullshit uberpolitical correctness of "ZOMFG THATS SEXIST" reaction when talking about things like gender roles.

I mean, geez.

I grew up in a home where my mom went out and made more money than my dad because he suffered a disability. He recovered, but my mom ended up being the primary income earner. But she still was the "mom". She still made dinner and did everything. Now my dad is retired and her career is going great.

But why is it wrong for men (and women) to have specific (and different) ideals to aspire to (many of the ideals are shared by both, but some perhaps more important for each gender)? Men and women are not the same!

[bs44MhUW]

This can't be serious. cutting the balls off will cause massive blood loss. I can post BME pictures if you want. . though I doubt the mods will like that.

I'm thinking some guys get into their sports a little too much.

[EspnaConCam]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
Great feedback all, thanks Mr Fun

you're welcome

[VarenHokalos]

Originally posted by Flubber
IT is . By definition talking about what it is to be a man means making a distinction based on sex, hence sexist. We aren't talking about definitions. We are talking about societal pressures to conform.