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Old 06-27-2006, 08:03 PM   #1
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Default Do you believe in progress?
Different types of evil, but about equal net evil.
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Old 06-27-2006, 08:11 PM   #2
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Old 06-27-2006, 08:24 PM   #3
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While world peace has increased for the moment, the foundation upon which it rests, faith, faithfulness, integrity, and honor, has decayed.
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Old 06-27-2006, 08:28 PM   #4
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1956, Soviet tanks rolling through Budapest, Suez crisis, many African nations still colonies - yep there is progress (which of course doesn't mean that everything is fine now)
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Old 06-27-2006, 08:44 PM   #5
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IMO, evil would be any opposition to peace

is equality an opposition to peace? only when it spawns violence. quiet oppresion, IMO, wouldn't conclude evil.
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Old 06-27-2006, 09:04 PM   #6
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Would you rather be quietly opressed or drafted into a facist army to murder civilians in a camp, or murder civilians in a colonial empire, or robbed of everything you own by the goverment and summarily executed?

What about not being able to actually vote in much of the U.S.? Segregation anyone?

This really is no question-times are much, much, much better, some people just want to be opressed.

Its not perfect but its much better.
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Old 06-27-2006, 09:09 PM   #7
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Also, fx in movies sucked during the fifties
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Old 06-27-2006, 09:11 PM   #8
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I think God has a lot to do with all the Evil

Kind of like a dentist who hands out lollipops
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Old 06-27-2006, 09:38 PM   #9
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There are periods which I don't know much about.

Every era I read about seems very evil.

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Old 06-27-2006, 10:01 PM   #10
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If by "any other point" you mean points even several thousands of years ago, I definitely will say it has become less evil in overall.

Especially the amount of genocide has been dropped considerably compared to for example the classic ages (around 500 AD and earlier) and which were also done by civilizations which were considered "civilized" during their time.
I think there is also less chance throughout the world that you might be considered to be a witch (or of the wrong faith) and be tortured and/or burned on the stake, or that your property gets confiscated (or even you and your family get killed) because some marauding armies enter the village and are allowed to plunder because thats how they are paid (like common with the mercenaries during the medieval ages [destroyed whole cities during the 30 year war in germany as both sides did so without mercy]).
You´ll also see less oppression of women in the world, although there are still plenty of states throughout the world where women are oppressed and don´t have many rights, the number of states where women are seen equal to men steadily grows.

Above said thing are especially true for the european and north american continent of course, but, as the conditions on all of the other continents haven´t worsened considerably over the same time, I´d think that the world has definitely gotten "less evil" nowadays than it was before.
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Old 06-27-2006, 10:06 PM   #11
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Oh, I agree progress has occured. I think the question is if progress has occured against evil.

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Old 06-27-2006, 10:13 PM   #12
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Originally posted by Jon Miller
Oh, I agree progress has occured. I think the question is if progress has occured against evil.

JM As I consider the above mentioned things to be evil I think a reduction in these things (in the more developed nations) can definitely be called progress against evil.
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Old 06-27-2006, 10:46 PM   #13
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Originally posted by Lancer
While world peace has increased for the moment, the foundation upon which it rests, faith, faithfulness, integrity, and honor, has decayed. When have those conditions ever been a significant presence (more than posturing) in human history?
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Old 06-27-2006, 11:41 PM   #14
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Originally posted by Lancer
Speaking of the US I would say that before and during the world wars the average Joe was more ready to make the sacrifices needed to get the job done than folks today. I believe they were more ready because of faith, integrity, honor...

People today are too into 'me'. "Reservists shoulder heavy burden in Iraq By ANTONIO CASTANEDA, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 20 minutes ago

FALLUJAH, Iraq - Unlike many Marines in this dangerous city, Staff Sgt. George Scott could have said "no." He could have stayed home in Ohio with his two young sons. Pentagon rules limit the number of times reservists like Scott can be called to duty involuntarily. But Scott keeps coming back. He's on his third tour now, and said he'd volunteer for a fourth. "
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Old 06-28-2006, 12:04 AM   #15
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Don't forget that polls of youth show support for gay rights!
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Old 06-28-2006, 12:40 AM   #16
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Originally posted by lord of the mark


"Reservists shoulder heavy burden in Iraq By ANTONIO CASTANEDA, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 20 minutes ago

FALLUJAH, Iraq - Unlike many Marines in this dangerous city, Staff Sgt. George Scott could have said "no." He could have stayed home in Ohio with his two young sons. Pentagon rules limit the number of times reservists like Scott can be called to duty involuntarily. But Scott keeps coming back. He's on his third tour now, and said he'd volunteer for a fourth. " Do you think George is your average Joe? Maybe an average George.
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Old 06-28-2006, 12:56 AM   #17
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Evil is a theological concept and therefore don't feel this is a rational argument. There are events going onto the world, but it certainly isn't a situation that can somehow be summed...
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Old 06-28-2006, 01:05 AM   #18
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Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Evil is a theological concept and therefore don't feel this is a rational argument. There are events going onto the world, but it certainly isn't a situation that can somehow be summed... Agreed. "Evil" is irrelevant.

200 years ago a black man and a white woman getting married was "evil".

As for progress, there has certainly been significant progress in the last century, even in the last decades, at least, in those ways that can be measured. It has not been even everywhere, and in some areas there have been declines in fact, but overall humanity is better off today than 100 years ago, or 50.
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Old 06-28-2006, 02:01 AM   #19
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Technological progress? Yes.

The notions of social and moral progress popular in Victorian times? No.


I adhere to a cyclilical theory of history similar to that of Arnold Toynbee's, and the West is showing all the signs of a civilization in decline, and the post WW2 US is the equivalent to Augustinian Rome.
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Old 06-28-2006, 02:59 AM   #20
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It got better, but then it started getting worse again.
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