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Appeselve 12-14-2011 04:05 AM

The Most Controversial Thread on YF. [Debate]
 
Please, this in no way means this is legal in ANY way and is just a personal opinion. Please, this is a very touchy subject and I only wish to learn a few things from it.

If it were "legal" to actually kill a person and have no consequences of that said action. Would you have the nerve to actually go through with it? What is your opinion on this? What would you do? How would you do it? Why would you do it?

To me, I would do it. I have had plenty of times where there was just this one person, I wished gone, but had to turn my cheek the other way due to legal laws and such. It's so frustrating because I do get extremely angry sometimes and just need to let it out.

Again, please stay on topic and understand this is not legal to do. I just wish to see what opinions are going to be shared about this.

Twelearly 12-14-2011 04:12 AM

If you have such strong emotions towards a person that you wish them dead, there's something psychologically wrong with you.

mashabox 12-14-2011 04:13 AM

No. They're is never a good reason to commit murder, regardless if there is a punishment or not. You will regret it later on in your life, regardless if a punishment was issued. You would be hated by many people, or disliked, or lose respect from your own friends/family for getting rid of someone you hate. Honest opinion.

aquadayAquaks 12-14-2011 04:17 AM

No, just no.
No 1 person can create a life, and life is a gift, your surely not guarnteed it.
So who are you to take someone elses gift of life?

So if someone hated someone in your family, and they killed them, it'd be ok, cause its a release of anger??

bestgenpower 12-14-2011 04:17 AM

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If you have such strong emotions towards a person that you wish them dead, there's something psychologically wrong with you.
Really now? I can ensure you everyone has at least once, in their life, wished someone dead. I am 100% certain on this. Like I stated, this is a personal opinion and should be treated as such. In order for this world to continue growing, people MUST die. This IMO is why there are illnesses, famines, and other harsh wars that go on. It's part of how the world needs to lose some to gain some.

ELURNSERB 12-14-2011 04:20 AM

[QUOTE=NyanCat;1264246]Really now? I can ensure you everyone has at least once, in their life, wished someone dead. I am 100% certain on this. Like I stated, this is a personal opinion and should be treated as such. In order for this world to continue growing, people MUST die. This IMO is why there are illnesses, famines, and other harsh wars that go on. It's part of how the world needs to lose some to gain some.[/QUOTE
And I am certain that atleast half of the people who lished a certain person was dead, regretted that thought. It's the same as wishing you where dead.

HoqCBYMl 12-14-2011 04:27 AM

[QUOTE=Vince Young;1264248]
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Really now? I can ensure you everyone has at least once, in their life, wished someone dead. I am 100% certain on this. Like I stated, this is a personal opinion and should be treated as such. In order for this world to continue growing, people MUST die. This IMO is why there are illnesses, famines, and other harsh wars that go on. It's part of how the world needs to lose some to gain some.[/QUOTE
And I am certain that atleast half of the people who lished a certain person was dead, regretted that thought. It's the same as wishing you where dead.
Yes, that might be true, however, my point stands.

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No, just no.
No 1 person can create a life, and life is a gift, your surely not guarnteed it.
So who are you to take someone elses gift of life?

So if someone hated someone in your family, and they killed them, it'd be ok, cause its a release of anger??
In a sense yes, but I didn't use the term hate. If anything from this, it'd be nothing more than a hate fest.

Nesskissabe 12-14-2011 04:28 AM

I know how everyone will answer this question already, they will give the socially acceptable answer of "no" however I don't think anyone wouldn't kill if they could get away with and knew they could maybe you would kill some scumbag criminal or maybe just someone you truly hate but everyone would kill someone if they had the power to

DuePew 12-14-2011 04:30 AM

If I may ask, what would be your reason for murdering someone who could/is important to a family/friends/etc.

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I know how everyone will answer this question already, they will give the socially acceptable answer of "no" however I don't think anyone wouldn't kill if they could get away with and knew they could maybe you would kill some scumbag criminal or maybe just someone you truly hate but everyone would kill someone if they had the power to
Okay, I guess your last sentence had a point. If someone murdered someone important to me, then yes, I would want to get revenge, example, murder them. But you have to be more mature and above that too just catch them, give them a brutal beating, and turn them in to the police. You would gain more respect and honor for that over murdering someone imo.

BigBobdd 12-14-2011 05:16 AM

Since I'm actually doing something... work-related at work today, I won't be able to give an appropriate response yet.

However, one word: Morality.

amannddo 12-14-2011 05:26 AM

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Really now? I can ensure you everyone has at least once, in their life, wished someone dead. I am 100% certain on this. Like I stated, this is a personal opinion and should be treated as such. In order for this world to continue growing, people MUST die. This IMO is why there are illnesses, famines, and other harsh wars that go on. It's part of how the world needs to lose some to gain some.
How can you be 100% certain about human thought? that's impossible, but not the point.

I know people must die, we ALL will die.
Actually, listen to this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zYOKFjpm9s


I admit, I have, in some cases, felt anger towards an individual but there's no justification in wishing someone dead.
If you could post an example when one would feel such way, that'd be helpful in understanding your point of view.

luffyplayaz 12-14-2011 08:52 AM

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No 1 person can create a life
You are right, no one person can create a life, but that's why humans work in pairs of two. lol

exschke 12-14-2011 11:57 AM

Assuming there are no repercussions for murder, it comes down to, as I said before, morality. If you are immoral or amoral, you will be willing to commit murder regardless of the existence of laws. If your moral code or set of beliefs are different from the "norm", the question becomes where murder lies in that moral system or yours. Without laws, (I'm assuming this is what you mean by making it legal.) how you are brought up will have a much larger influence on how your moral code is shaped. If you're brought up by parents who kill people, sell drugs and rape people, you'll think those things are ok while young and, without a legal system that says otherwise, there's probably little chance of you changing your views. In that sense, you'll be willing to commit murder at a later stage, simply because murder is not wrong within your set of beliefs.

If, on the other hand, you have a "normal" moral code, regardless of how much you hate the person and wish he/she were dead, you will probably come to regret it at a later point in life, sometimes much later. To consciously kill someone, you have to override any rationality you have and basically delve into your primal instincts, much like how predators kill prey in nature. Once you release those primal instincts, they don't go back into subconsciousness, but become a part of you, a burden you will have to carry for the rest of your life. If the victim didn't have an intention to kill you, it becomes further difficult to justify needing to resort to your primal instincts to take a person's life. After all, you definitely don't need to kill to survive when food is available from the supermarket, so your only reason for murder is out of spite.

And really, if you have a "normal" moral code, killing out of spite is unjustified whichever way you look at it. Murder doesn't only damage the victim's quality of life, but also damages that of the victim's circle of family, friends and other associates. By acting out of spite, you have simultaneously wronged many others, most of who don't deserve to be caught in this problem.

BTW, "normal" refers to the standard set of moral values the average person in the current time adopts. Moral beliefs evolve over time, and it's possible that moral values considered appropriate/inappropriate now are considered otherwise in the future. (For example, homosexuality.)

Regardless, in essence, if you have a "normal" set of moral values in comparison to other people of the current day and age, you will find it hard to justify murder, regardless of the presence or absence of a legal system that draws a clear line.

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Really now? I can ensure you everyone has at least once, in their life, wished someone dead. I am 100% certain on this. Like I stated, this is a personal opinion and should be treated as such. In order for this world to continue growing, people MUST die. This IMO is why there are illnesses, famines, and other harsh wars that go on. It's part of how the world needs to lose some to gain some.
Perhaps you are right, and everyone in the world has wished someone dead before. We will never know, because there are no psychics with proof that they can predict things with 100% accuracy, so your 100% certainty doesn't count for much. Regardless, as I said earlier, under the moral system currently accepted as the norm in this present time, wishing someone dead and physically acting out the murder are two different issues entirely. You cannot consciously murder someone without delving into your inner primal instincts, and resorting to those instincts purely out of spite is difficult to justify, even to yourself.

The last point is a poor reason for murder. Yes, people will die. Just because dying is a part of life doesn't justify the premature ending of one's life. I don't think I need to explain how ridiculous the argument of "You're going to die eventually, so I'm going to kill you now, since it won't make a difference." sounds when the victim doesn't have a terminal disease of sorts impacting his/her quality of life in such a way that prematurely ending his/her life is probably for the best.

UnduttRit 12-14-2011 05:10 PM

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Assuming there are no repercussions for murder, it comes down to, as I said before, morality. If you are immoral or amoral, you will be willing to commit murder regardless of the existence of laws. If your moral code or set of beliefs are different from the "norm", the question becomes where murder lies in that moral system or yours. Without laws, (I'm assuming this is what you mean by making it legal.) how you are brought up will have a much larger influence on how your moral code is shaped. If you're brought up by parents who kill people, sell drugs and rape people, you'll think those things are ok while young and, without a legal system that says otherwise, there's probably little chance of you changing your views. In that sense, you'll be willing to commit murder at a later stage, simply because murder is not wrong within your set of beliefs.

If, on the other hand, you have a "normal" moral code, regardless of how much you hate the person and wish he/she were dead, you will probably come to regret it at a later point in life, sometimes much later. To consciously kill someone, you have to override any rationality you have and basically delve into your primal instincts, much like how predators kill prey in nature. Once you release those primal instincts, they don't go back into subconsciousness, but become a part of you, a burden you will have to carry for the rest of your life. If the victim didn't have an intention to kill you, it becomes further difficult to justify needing to resort to your primal instincts to take a person's life. After all, you definitely don't need to kill to survive when food is available from the supermarket, so your only reason for murder is out of spite.

And really, if you have a "normal" moral code, killing out of spite is unjustified whichever way you look at it. Murder doesn't only damage the victim's quality of life, but also damages that of the victim's circle of family, friends and other associates. By acting out of spite, you have simultaneously wronged many others, most of who don't deserve to be caught in this problem.

BTW, "normal" refers to the standard set of moral values the average person in the current time adopts. Moral beliefs evolve over time, and it's possible that moral values considered appropriate/inappropriate now are considered otherwise in the future. (For example, homosexuality.)

Regardless, in essence, if you have a "normal" set of moral values in comparison to other people of the current day and age, you will find it hard to justify murder, regardless of the presence or absence of a legal system that draws a clear line.



Perhaps you are right, and everyone in the world has wished someone dead before. We will never know, because there are no psychics with proof that they can predict things with 100% accuracy, so your 100% certainty doesn't count for much. Regardless, as I said earlier, under the moral system currently accepted as the norm in this present time, wishing someone dead and physically acting out the murder are two different issues entirely. You cannot consciously murder someone without delving into your inner primal instincts, and resorting to those instincts purely out of spite is difficult to justify, even to yourself.

The last point is a poor reason for murder. Yes, people will die. Just because dying is a part of life doesn't justify the premature ending of one's life. I don't think I need to explain how ridiculous the argument of "You're going to die eventually, so I'm going to kill you now, since it won't make a difference." sounds when the victim doesn't have a terminal disease of sorts impacting his/her quality of life in such a way that prematurely ending his/her life is probably for the best.
i kind of agree with sayo on this dude

Dodoerabe 12-14-2011 07:40 PM

I would be willing to commit murder if not for the consequences of the law.


I also have a pretty colorful history of mental illness, which I won't go into detail about, but I'm relatively sure that it probably makes my viewpoint a little skewed compared to the average person.


But I've just never really had a problem a with the thought of taking another life, regardless of if it's for revenge, financial gain, or whatever. It's possible that if the time ever came I wouldn't be able to do it, but I honestly doubt that.

Cxcvvfbgtr 12-15-2011 05:17 AM

think. you kill someone, their close friend/relative kills you. its not morally right and you have mental issues if you kill some1. besides most likely you would nend up dead.

Waymninelia 12-15-2011 05:41 AM

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No. They're is never a good reason to commit murder, regardless if there is a punishment or not. You will regret it later on in your life, regardless if a punishment was issued. You would be hated by many people, or disliked, or lose respect from your own friends/family for getting rid of someone you hate. Honest opinion.
This is exactly what I was going to say lol. BTW. No.

Aniplinipsync 12-15-2011 10:26 AM

watched 'boy wonder'
good movie.
8/10

jakitula 12-17-2011 06:25 AM

yes

JJoon077 12-17-2011 06:52 AM

I would probably be the guy to hire if you couldn't go through with it.


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