[NETvoyne]

What does a blue black person with a big fat nose and a great taste for vodoo have in common with smoking tobacco in front of a "vasinilla" and spitting on it, while wearing a head bandana and shaking his or her body and rubbing arms all over from top to bottom "sacudiendose" los espiritus?

Answer.....Haitian origin.

TW

[Kissntell]

While we all know about the dirt in politics, we also know about racism.

Here, I'll say it:

golo, stop you racist tirade and your vendetta against the have-nots.

And to SOME of you:

I'm sure you are not racist, but why do you feel compelled to agree with this stuff? Is it for fear of what he might say to you?
Is it the implication of belonging to the "in" crowd that forces you to agree? Now, how important is that?

-Joseíto
Where is Frank Zappa when you need him?

[TheDoctor]

and the hits just keep on coming.

thanks for the info Golo.

do you know why they did not mention his name directly or the PRD? you think maybe they do not want to open up a can of worms?

[NETvoyne]

Already the canons and drums from the PRD are rolling! Just check "Ultima Hora" today. The big news is the PRD leaders like Hatuey de Camps and Milagros Ortiz Bosch coming to the defense of their dead leader.

Also, it has been part of our history the stories brought up back in 1996 by Vincho Castillo about that famous luggage brought in by the Haitian during his money raising trip to New York and the East Coast, which had US$500,000. The money was never denied by the carrier. What has always been denied is the source.

Obviously you have to choose whom to believe. Either believe Hatuey de Camps, who has also been questioned by the French DEA and Castillo himself, the PRD which has to this date from the time Hippo took office, one dead Senator, a dozen or so dead, arrested or in prison assistants to Hippo for no other than drug deals and suspicious activities, or....believe the U.S. system of justice and his experienced agents.

Frankly, I go for the gringos.

TW

[NETvoyne]

Since many local politicians and pundits are trying to discredit the U.S. Court system and both narcotics agents involved in the Peña Gomez case and are using now the argument that Peña is not alive to defend himself, I can at least say that while reviewing some of the history of these two agents by reading court briefings from the U.S. District Court in Philadelphia, I can summarize:

That both agents McLaughlin and Micewski were vastly experienced in their fields and dominated the expertise in Dominican drug traffic. Both agents were also experienced in documenting their cases, since they have been involved in several cases where Dominicans appealed in higher courts decisions that went in these agents' favor. Dominican crack dealers from the Philly area tried to sue both investigators for false arrests, and other tricky excuses used by their able lawyers, only to be denied by the courts.

For instance in a case where Dominican drug dealers Rafael Marrero and Jairo Polanco, both illegal aliens who had only been in the U.S. for three months were caught in a black Chrysler New Yorker with 2000 vials of crack, Micewski was supported by the court for his excellent follow through and documentation of the case. The Dominicans tried to use the old trick of "there was no probable cause" for their arrest.

We hear the same thing in the case of the two Caribair airline pilots caught in Florida and even some old cases where two of our most "pretigious" businessmen, one in the show business, cannot travel abroad for fear of being caught by Interpol, yet they are well protected here by our governments. But the fact is that rarely do the U.S. courts make mistakes in drug cases. These are well documented events which leave little to the imagination.

TW

[AdvertisingPo]

I wouldn't probably ask this if it were not for some of the rantings in that now closed thread that shall be nameless: you wrote "diseased Haitian-Dominican leader of the PRD," did you mean to write "deceased?"

[NETvoyne]

Leonel Fernandez had been grouped in the gay team. Even his closest aides were reputedly gay. Now he took the ammunition away. He just got married again.

Guzman killed himself, giving him a tag of mentally unstable. Jorge Blanco ended up in jail for fraud. Balaguer was never married, but now about every Dominican claims to be his or son or daughter. Is anybody here a son of Balaguer???



TW

[AdvertisingPo]

I didn't make myself sufficiently clear. You made no mistake in spelling "diseased." I made no correction, I asked a question:

Did you mean to write "diseased" or "deceased?"

Since you brought up the subject, by the way, I judge your spelling to be mostly correct, unlike your grammatical usage.

[TubOppomo]

Today, the Dominican media reports the Presidente and the PRD expressing righteous indignation over the name of Pena Gomez and the PRD being defamed over this corruption/drug business. It would be better for the Presidente and the Party to "shut-up". Why provide more ammunition for the opposing parties and hot topics for the media? If they keep on, they will only prove what clowns they truly are. Regards, PJT

[NETvoyne]

While I meant the "dead" kind, this Haitian qualifies for both since he was both diseased and deceased.

I will try to read your academically correct posts to try to learn the best usage of language in informal forums. Thanks again.

TW

[NETvoyne]

Your correction stands as a typo. If you meant to show your prowess as a spelling bee, you picked on the wrong guy. Find a real "analfabeto" to play your correction game with. Everyone here knows my pedigree.

TW

[AdvertisingPo]

Some of these posts remind me of Balaguer's more virulent writing. I've seen some of those books used in colegios as recently as the mid 90's. Their parochialism shocked me almost as much as their sham scholarship - - many passages are annoted with 19th century references! The most offensive passages stink of irrational xenophobia and racism.

My opinion of the Philadelphia newspaper excerpts and what I remember from the New York Times is they have little to do with race or with Pena-Gomez's nationality.

[TheDoctor]

I think the issue with Gomez was that there was a lot of controversy as far as his birthplace.

but who knows, maybe that has come up because of his hatian parents.

[Tapupah]

HE DID!!!! If you want to see just look at his picture in the DR1 daily news.Wow! That nose IS BIG!!!!Don't look for too long,you might think that he was ugly too!...Chirimoya,all the governments STOLE! This one Borrows,then steal that too!! The PRD under Hipolito has take fraud,and corruption to a new higher level.Their arrogance is without limits!!! They will soon cause the economic collapse of this beautiful counrty! If they have not already put in progress policies that can not be stopped.Cris

[Kissntell]

You just ended one of your sentences with a preposition.

-Joseíto

[TheDoctor]

joseito...


what is your opinion on the article that golo posted on this thread?

[nuncEtedben]

Pls. do not construe my post as being a deffense of Golo's positions on racial issues.

That been said... The issue with Peña Gómez wasn't the question of whether he was the son of Haitians but whether he was born in Haiti himself. Both would have invalidated him as a candidate anyways (so says the constitution).

I actually voted for the guy when I was young and stupid and did it SIMPLY because he was black. Talk about reverse racism. Now that I am an old lady I know better. He was a crook and that had nothing to do with the color of his skin.

[agolutuaddiff]

How many generations does your family have to be here in order to be considered a Dominican? Let me see: going by skin colour and/or surnames, we have a series of Spaniards holding the presidency in the DR: Trujillo (with a Haitian grandmother to boot), Balaguer, Guzmán, Fernandez, Mejía, etc etc but is that fact bandied around as if it were a major transgression invalidating them from leading the country?

Or is it just the Haiti connection that is a problem? If any of you have criticisms of a politician, restrict them to his/her actions and not colour or origins which are irrelevant. As irrelevant as criticisms of spelling and grammar.

Chirimoya

[Tapupah]

Neither of which disqualify you from being elected President in the Dominican Republic!!! Or from occupying any post in the Dominican Government! "People Get The Government They DESERVE"!!!!!!!!!!Ed, Note; Gomez was very black,and very ugly,so he was called "Haitian",and "Feo"etc.,Balaguer never married,so he was called a "Homo" etc.These These "Names" are just easy ways to discredit these politicians.They mean nothing.CRIS

[nuncEtedben]

Being dead should not be an authomatic ticket to sainthood. The same things that are being questioned now were questioned when he was alive. He never gave a satisfactory answer to those questions. There are less chances he will now.