[VitaliyMurnov]

Here's a thread that was lost.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ppJDxv6K3k

[gZAhTyWY]

Repost.

[VitaliyMurnov]

Repost.

nuh uh.

well, maybe to the NSA servers it is.

[S.T.D.]

Well, who woulda thunk, Rand's a politician.....

[metrocartockasur]

It pisses me off but if anybody here is surprised by this then I'm, well, surprised.

Rand obviously ain't his old man. I still have a $1 FRN that says he won't be VP.

[tropicana]

Too fucked up for words...

[wasssallx]

It pisses me off but if anybody here is surprised by this then I'm, well, surprised.

Rand obviously ain't his old man. I still have a $1 FRN that says he won't be VP.

I'll take that bet! Rand Paul will be Romneys running mate!

[strollerssfsfs]

Rand Paul is more of an old fart than Ron Paul. The old guy is idealistic and principled. The young guy is really a stodgy old man. I'm pretty sure he is playing to his constituents so he can be re elected, and this is what they want to hear.


Hatha

[S.T.D.]

I'll take that bet! Rand Paul will be Romneys running mate!

WOW, think about it, a setup and takedown of the entire tea party movement.....you be one of us now...Republican Party Member...

It all fits with the "upholding of Republican principles" speeches being given by daddy....


Oh shit, did I just say that out loud....

[metrocartockasur]

The only reason the R's saw a huge influx of new R's was because of Ron Paul, if he's not the #1 man on the ballot they can kiss 95% of them goodbye as far as votes go in the general election. They will not vote for mitty and he knows it, even if rand is on the ticket, he's much further ahead to go with rubes or chrissy so that he can shore up the base. I suspect that mitty will loathe the RP'ers at Tampa as most of them will make him look weak and the party even weaker. RP himself can't control those people, unless he's the nominee! The vast majority of the delegates are for all practical purposes rouge delegates who have nothing but contempt for mitty and the R party, it's complete takeover or destruction is their singular goal. They can't be bought or swayed with meaningless planks to the platform, rand as a VP, promises of positions or the sweet rhetoric the GOP will offer.

The GOP convention will be a nightmare for the establishment and they know it, they're scared as hell at the prospect that they will made to look like fools come August. Oh, and lets not forget that there's a huge Liberty Fest that will be going on 3 days prior to the convention, that should stoke the fire just a tad or two.

[S.T.D.]

I hope you're right Libertytree, like everything else, we'll see...

[metrocartockasur]

I hope I'm right and others seem to see what I see too.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/.../?spt=hs&or=tn

By NICOLE DEBEVEC, United Press International


When he bowed out of active campaigning to capture the Republican presidential nomination, U.S. Rep. Ron Paul said he wasn't interested in disrupting the party's national convention in Tampa, Fla., in August.


The libertarian Texan said he would focus on gathering as many delegates at state GOP conventions as he could going into Tampa -- and he's making good on his promise.
Even after collecting the lion's share of delegates at the state convention in Minnesota -- where a Paul-backed candidate will square off against U.S. Sen. Amy Klobuchar in November -- as well as other states, Paul has a long way to go to catch Mitt Romney.


Going into the Texas primary Tuesday, Romney was about 150 delegates shy of mathematically capturing the 1,144 needed to win the party nomination. Paul had about 120.
But the legion of Paul supporters will tell you those numbers aren't correct, either, since they don't include unbound delegates who are Paul backers and don't account for Romney delegates who could go rogue in Tampa. Which would make things uncomfortable for Romney and the Republican establishment.


Robin Koerner, a member of the grassroots movement backing Paul, says Paul may not get 1,144 delegates, but "there are big, big numbers" backing him, perhaps enough to block a first-round nomination for Romney and force a second round that he says Paul could win. If there aren't enough delegates to make a floor fight worthwhile, Paul backers must decide whether further action is warranted, risking the possibility of looking like sore losers, said Koerner, founder and editor of WatchingAmerica.com and a regular contributor to the Huffington Post.


He also said it was possible "creative chaos" could result if "something dishonest seems to be happening at the national convention ... where supporting Romney contributes to creative chaos."
The groundswell of support demonstrates Romney, the front-runner who's still trying to rally the GOP base, conservatives and evangelicals, "isn't the inevitable candidate," Koerner said.
Koerner attributes Paul's popularity to the fact he's "like a breath of fresh air" in today's politics, has held steadfast to his principles and has been "correctly identifying for many years the true drivers of state of this nation and the state of American politics."


A physician, Paul has taken the "first do no harm" maxim into the political realm and his followers "think maybe we should try that. There's just so much passion for him," Koerner said.
Building frustration with Republicans and Democrats means the 2012 election could be a watershed year for the "non-Republicrat paradigm Ron Paul represents," Koerner said. "The question has always been, what is critical mass his supporters need" and how quickly can it be reached?


"I think we might already be there -- certainly in a sense there are now many issues that have been mainstreamed [since] four years ago," he said. "Republican can talk about benefits of peace; can you imagine that under [President George W.] Bush?"


Koerner, a British permanent resident of the United States, also started the "Blue Republican" movement of Democrats and independents supporting Paul's candidacy. He and other supporters crisscross the country to ensure the depth of support for Paul translates into people going to state GOP meetings, knowing the procedure, and get Paul backers elected. So far, their strategy is working.
"Ron Paul's support is … deeper than support for Romney," Koerner said.
Paul's in it to win, he said.



"There is no other benefit that warrants the sheer amount of effort and pain he's going through," Koerner said. "He has always wanted to change debate."
However, "Ron Paul has already made American politics safe for the next constitutionalist," he said.
During a recent appearance on "Fox News Sunday," Paul said he was in to win the GOP presidential nomination, and has won a lot along the way, "but we also want to help direct the party and the country in a certain way, so that would be a very, very positive strategy to have an influence on the party."


Absent a win, Paul said, a prominent speech or the inclusion of his views in the party platform would be "a good goal."
At the convention, a majority of delegates in six states can suspend the rules at any time, ABC News said. Paul-supporting states will be represented on the convention's platform committee, albeit in a minority. However, delegates can make motions from the floor, and the convention chair must choose whether to recognize them. Paul's supporters could interject in proceedings to try to nominate him.
"Creative chaos is in favor of the liberty movement," Koerner said. "If Ron Paul's people pull an open revolt, where would others' sympathies lie? I think everything is more possible than other people think."
Paul's popularity and following show "the split in the Republican Party and Romney's struggle to win over support of the libertarian and the very conservative component. There's no way to see this as anything else," said Larry Jacobs of the University of Minnesota's Humphrey Institute of Public Affairs. "The risk is that the crucial element of the Romney coalition may fail to turn out and support him."
The drawn-out and bitter primary season also showed Romney still struggles among the party's conservative base, he said.
"That's also what Ron Paul's candidacy is revealing," Jacobs said.

[S.T.D.]

You know, there is still another avenue available the Liberty movement can take that has yet to be explored, states' repudiation/nullification of the 17th, which would throw the door wide open to other Constitutional reforms...

[7UENf0w7]

Carl, yes, the 17th is a very viable plan and should be pursued as I think it will be by many of the liberty candidates now entering the system.

Book, RP has effectively ran a 3rd party campaign. Over the last 5 years he has created a monster that he really no longer can control and they are not beholding to any party or allegiance to anyone but RP. If the GOP/? wanted to really be serious about beating mitty RP would have been the logical choice. As we all know this ain't about R's vs D's, it's about us vs them and this whole scam of an election is really an "anybody except Ron Paul" fiasco. Only RP can take O out but that don't suit their interests.

[Aozenee]

Carl, yes, the 17th is a very viable plan and should be pursued as I think it will be by many of the liberty candidates now entering the system.

Book, RP has effectively ran a 3rd party campaign. Over the last 5 years he has created a monster that he really no longer can control and they are not beholding to any party or allegiance to anyone but RP. If the GOP/? wanted to really be serious about beating mitty RP would have been the logical choice. As we all know this ain't about R's vs D's, it's about us vs them and this whole scam of an election is really an "anybody except Ron Paul" fiasco. Only RP can take O out but that don't suit their interests.

Good points - Thanks !

so what does Ron Paul himself say ? will we have a chance to vote for him 3rd party in the General Election.

i hope he doesn't go all "GOP loyalist" on us, he knows they're traitors.


reminds me a little of Dennis Kucinich, one of the more anti-war Democrats. now that it's obvious that the Dem's are Israel's bitch, a truly principled Anti-War Dem. would make a 3rd party stand.

Kucinich might make some of you guys barf, but i admire his past anti-war votes. i wonder how he voted on NDAA, which was all about bringing the war home & imposing it on American citizens.


i would like to see just one candidate tell the truth - that the Jew-S government has declared War on American Citizens, acting as a Proxy for Israel, partially as a recruiting tool for the Jews' "Hey let's get the Christian Gentiles to go Kill Some Arab Gentiles" block party.

[S.T.D.]

RP built the state level machinery, it's just a matter of directing it at the state's legislators, pressing them into accepting and taking their Article 5 protected, Constitutionally guaranteed right to representation in their senate. Got the momentum and energy, don't waste it. All we'll need is 4 or 5 five states to start selecting their senators, and other states will jump on that bandwagon too.

[nerkvcbtre]

Reminds of the bastard offspring of Morgan le Fay.

[metrocartockasur]

Good points - Thanks !

so what does Ron Paul himself say ? will we have a chance to vote for him 3rd party in the General Election.

i hope he doesn't go all "GOP loyalist" on us, he knows they're traitors.


reminds me a little of Dennis Kucinich, one of the more anti-war Democrats. now that it's obvious that the Dem's are Israel's bitch, a truly principled Anti-War Dem. would make a 3rd party stand.

Kucinich might make some of you guys barf, but i admire his past anti-war votes. i wonder how he voted on NDAA, which was all about bringing the war home & imposing it on American citizens.


i would like to see just one candidate tell the truth - that the Jew-S government has declared War on American Citizens, acting as a Proxy for Israel, partially as a recruiting tool for the Jews' "Hey let's get the Christian Gentiles to go Kill Some Arab Gentiles" block party.

RP's hands are tied really...he can't come out and say "giv'em hell and create chaos" at the convention, that goes beyong his peaceful message and the only thing he can do is distance himself from it publicly, while I think he has to know that that there are hundreds of loose liberty cannons intent upon throwing a great BIG FU at the establishment and the GOP. As far as a 3rd party run, I don't see it happening, not this late in the game, besides, he has to be relishing what is festering and getting ready to be unleashed in Tampa. Either way he will be blamed for mittys loss to O, 3rd party or showing the world that American politics is F'd.

As far as Izzy is concerned, this alone is about as clear as it gets from RP. While not exactly what you wanted the point is quite clear.

Ron Paul Dissents on Unlimited Military Aid for Israel
Hamdan Azhar (PolicyMic)

Earlier this month, the U.S. House of Representatives quietly passed a bill that critics insist effectively guarantees unlimited military aid to the government of Israel. HR 4133,dubbed the “United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012,” makes it “the policy of the United States to help Israel preserve its qualitative military edge” and “to provide Israel the military capabilities necessary to deter and defend itself by itself against any threats.”

The bill passed by a vote of 411-2 with 9 members voting “present.” The two “No” votes were cast by Texas Congressman and Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul and Congressman John Dingell (D-MI), former Chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee and the longest currently serving member of Congress.

Mr. Paul assailed the bill for being “one-sided” and “counter-productive” and argued that it weakened the U.S.’s claims of being an honest broker seeking peace in the Middle East. He also took issue with the bill’s statement that U.S. policy should be to defend “the security of Israel as a Jewish state.”

“According to our Constitution,” argued Mr. Paul, “the policy of the United States government should be to protect the security of the United States, not to guarantee the religious, ethnic, or cultural composition of a foreign country.”

Read the entire article at:
http://www.policymic.com/articles/89...-a-true-leader

[VitaliyMurnov]

From last Thursday.


Romney Woos Senator Paul

From yesterday

Report: Mitt Romney Holds Private Meeting With Rand Paul


The timing of the OP vid works with the National Review article.

[Jannet.K]

I have a feeling if they roll Rand out as a Romney VP it would blow up in their faces.