[orapope]

http://peacerevolution.podomatic.com...12_03_12-07_00

http://www.gnosticmedia.com/triviumstudy

[FallJimerks]

Larken Rose preaches a modernized rendition of Marx.

[orapope]

Larken Rose preaches a modernized rendition of Marx.

I just finished listening to Larken Rose and wonder specifically why you claim Larken is advocating for communism?

Larken wants a voluntary society, where people do away with government, which I call anarchy. I haven’t really looked at anarchy in an in depth sort of way and have no preconceived notions on how good or how bad it would be.

I guess it depends on how good or bad people are in general. Most people I know just want to get along, with a few bad apples who are attracted to a thing we call government. In the absence of that thing what would happen to these people? I think they would stay within the norms of the society they live in.

His first video he presents the premise that we live in a society that has accepted a number of big lies, one of which is our need to have a government that controls us by murdering and punishing us and funds itself by taking our money, to keep people in general from murdering and beating and robbing us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bCz9...layer_embedded

[FallJimerks]

Communism is but the purging stage on the road to Marxism. True Marxism is the point where you have everyone believing, thinking and acting the same, a voluntary society where governments are no longer needed.

Larken Rose is a rigidly dogmatic ideologue with absolutely no grasp of the historical/philosophical.

[orapope]

Communism is but the purging stage on the road to Marxism. True Marxism is the point where you have everyone believing, thinking and acting the same, a voluntary society where governments are no longer needed.

Larken Rose is a rigidly dogmatic ideologue with absolutely no grasp of the historical/philosophical.

Well I guess I missed that lesson.

The focus of this thread is The Trivium and not Larken.

The Trivium is about teaching students to be able to grasp the trueness of any statement whether written or spoken through a thorough grasp of grammar, logic and rhetoric.

It is likened to an anti-virus system for the mind. A defense against lies.

[orapope]

Communism is but the purging stage on the road to Marxism. True Marxism is the point where you have everyone believing, thinking and acting the same, a voluntary society where governments are no longer needed.

Larken Rose is a rigidly dogmatic ideologue with absolutely no grasp of the historical/philosophical.

Eventually, socialism would give way to a communist stage of history: a classless, stateless system based on common ownership and free-access, superabundance and maximum freedom for individuals to develop their own capacities and talents. As a political movement, Marxism advocates the creation of such a society.[citation needed] I don't think Larken is advocating the absence of private property and so I think your analysis is flawed.

[Marat]

Good post Bigjon....

Also dont forget about the Quadrivium:

The quadrivium comprised the four subjects, or arts, taught in the Renaissance Period, after teaching the trivium. The word is Latin, meaning "the four ways" (or a "place where four roads meet"), and its use for the 4 subjects has been attributed to Boethius or Cassiodorus in the 6th century. Together, the trivium and the quadrivium comprised the seven liberal arts (based on thinking skills),as opposed to the practical arts (such as medicine and architecture).


The quadrivium consisted of arithmetic, geometry, music, and astronomy. These followed the preparatory work of the trivium made up of grammar, logic, and rhetoric. In turn, the quadrivium was considered preparatory work for the serious study of philosophy (sometimes called the "liberal art par excellence") and theology. The word "trivia" has been rarely used to refer to the trivium.
Plato spoke of the use of these in teaching one how to think, not what to think. His 'The Republic' used much of this line of thought. Between the Trivium and the Quadrivium the seven Liberal Arts were created.




Another interesting point, is that these seven Liberal Arts are to be taught in a specific order. They realized the human brain works a certain way, and designed these around that. NOT like what we have today, where the student is forced to learn in a backwards fashion. Example: They would teach you arithmetic, geometry then algebra. Todays schools usually teach arithmetic, algebra then geometry. Charolette Iserbyte outlines this in her books about the State and Education.

[FallJimerks]

I agree, the Trivium is of paramount importance but it should be grounded by the historical to provide context.

Without context, one could logically rationalize just about anything.

[FallJimerks]

I don't think Larken is advocating the absence of private property and so I think your analysis is flawed.

Property, ownership or shared, is incidental to the rigidity of thought and action required to achieve the outcome desired, that's the primary concern.

[rhiniddibiarmr]

I agree, the Trivium is of paramount importance but it should be grounded by the historical to provide context.

Without context, one could logically rationalize just about anything.

Property, ownership or shared are incidental to the rigidity of thought and action required to achieve the outcome desired, that's the primary concern.

Excellent points! The problem with history is that it is written by the victors.

[orapope]

Property, ownership or shared, is incidental to the rigidity of thought and action required to achieve the outcome desired, that's the primary concern.

Well I don't agree with your premise that there is no difference between private property and common ownership. I think they are mutually exclusive.

[FallJimerks]

Well I don't agree with your premise that there is no difference between private property and common ownership. I think they are mutually exclusive.

You are missing the point, it is the rigidity of thought and action required to achieve the outcome desired, that's the primary concern

[rhiniddibiarmr]

Order comes at a cost.

[Cucoulkrory]

Let's try a different tact; it is the rigid UNIFORMITY of thought and action required to achieve the outcome desired.

[orapope]

A bullshit detector : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

Thanks Book, this is an integral part of the Trivium.

[orapope]

Let's try a different tact; it is the rigid UNIFORMITY of thought and action required to achieve the outcome desired.

People who own private property do with it what they will. That doesn't require any rigid system.

Therefore your analysis of Larken is flawed.

[FallJimerks]

People who own private property do with it what they will. That doesn't require any rigid system.

Therefore your analysis of Larken is flawed.

Bigjon, it is not about the property, the property is irrelevant!

It is about what people are required to believe, the way they must think and act in order to bring functionality to Larken's vision of how people should live together.