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Old 01-03-2012, 08:44 AM   #21
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Naomi Wolf thinks that the congress people who voted for this bill will become its victims. Here:

http://naomiwolf.org/2011/12/how-con...n-arrest-bill/

Consistent with my 'sig' line

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Probably they will not arrest the Critters that voted for this bill, unless they would grow a conscience, more probably they would focus their attentions on the ones voted in by people starting to awaken...
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Old 01-03-2012, 08:47 AM   #22
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That may be true, but it still comes down to the gov re-defining what it means to be a US citizen.
ie they get to decide what Rights a US citizen has access to because they created the staus, and they just changed it somewhat.
Jailed and tortured indefinitely on bogus charges without due process is not a minor change...
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Old 01-03-2012, 08:49 AM   #23
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i just signed the Weight Watcher's Pledge - and then ate a bag of Reese's - for an appetizer !
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Old 01-03-2012, 05:25 PM   #24
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Israel did much the same a few weeks earlier.

US and Israel march in lockstep towards expansion of military detention
[mondoweiss.net December 16, 2011] ..And as a wave of predictable settler violence, this time against the Israeli army, engulfs Israel, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced measures that would expand the use of Israeli military detention without charge and military trials. The events give new meaning to the phrase "shared values" when explaining the US and Israel relationship.

In Israel, "administrative detention," or "detention without charge or trial that is authorized by administrative order," has long been used to keep Palestinians locked up "for prolonged periods of time," according to B'Tselem. And the new Israeli measures, ostensibly aimed at radical violent settlers, have worried some Israelis that the "new steps would also be used against" Israeli Palestine solidarity activists in the West Bank, as the New York Times reports. B'Tselem has also come out against Israeli steps to expand military detention.

The US and Israeli moves are not identical, to be sure. But the thread that ties these events together is this: The "war on terror," a "war" in which the US and Israel both claim to be fighting the same fight by locking up non-citizens they declare to be "terrorists," has come back home for Israeli and US citizens. And for those who might cheer for Israeli military measures against violent settlers, worries that the expansion of military detention could also affect leftist Israelis should be taken into account. As the US case shows, what happens to "them" can quickly become what happens to "us." Edited to ad a link and conclusion of a review on lewrockwell.com

Equality Before the Law Finally Achieved
January 3, 2012
...The craven conservatives and the hypocritical liberals who defend this ongoing destruction of the Bill of Rights attempt to placate the opposition by saying they "welcome debate" and declare that only kooks oppose laws like the NDAA since it is "complicated." This is little more than shilling for the status quo. John McCain simply declares that all proponents of due process "want terrorists to go free." And yet, it is the cranks, who insist on the rule of law, who are "un-American."

When exposed to the persecutions of the past, especially the racially-motivated ones, school children are often left with the impression that things were different in the past, and that somehow, we’ve moved beyond that sort of arbitrary oppression and disregard for natural rights and natural law. That notion is incorrect. The arbitrary exercise of government power is alive and well. Except now, it applies to everyone everywhere. Equality before the law has been achieved at last.
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