[DF9sLGSU]

I have heard That lucifer is Christ or viceversa not that I subscribe to it.

[QbCp7LaZ]

Gonzo, this is not meant as a personal attack.

If after seeing those M's&D quotes above, you still cannot see that the FMC is an admitted luciferian body of worship, I just don't know what to say. You are more intellegent that that.

Semantics such as "Nowhere does it say they worship satan" is below what I normally see coming from you. Satan is Lucifer, is Ba'al, is Moloch, et al.

Besides Ms&D, there are other highly touted masonic authors who admit crux of the FMC is luciferian worship. They use a lot of pretty wording and eloquent writing, but their message is simple:
Belief in Christ is superstition and silly, belief in Lucifer is reasonable and illuminating.

This is why it is so simple to understand that it is an attack on Jesus. You can't believe in lucifer without believing in God. This is why I always say to people: You may not believe in Christ, but the PTB certainly do. I have a number of friends that are in the FMC. They are all lower level master masons, blue lodge 3rd degrees for the most part. A few have gone further. I have approached the friends that I am clse with and expressed my concerns. As usual, they deny my allegations and tout whatever lines that a 3rd degree is told to tout, which is as always a lie that they believe.

I have bought multiple copies of a few different books and given them to people that I care about who are involved in the FMC, and none of them have read a single sentence from the books. The refuse to do any research on it, outside of kosher FMC writings, and they constantly use bullshit gobble-de-goop from their "emergency book" entitled "The pilgrims path, which is a laughable attempt at refuting proofs that the FMC is an anti-Christian organization.
So be it. The Father has his own plans for them.

The lodge even sent one of my old friends to visit me, under the pretense of "catching up" and "having a beer", but at the end of the night he made his true intentions known, which was to try and convince me that the FMC is not what I say is is, and that I should not believe the writings of Pike, Hall and others. Haha!

Whatever. Just last week I loaned Eppersons book to a co-worker. He set it down on the counter in the bathroom while he was in there, and when he came to the counter to wash his hands, it was stolen. Typical. So I have been praying that whoever has stolen it will read the book, come to their senses, and return it to me.

Anywyays, I got off track, but yeah: The FMC is an satanic cult at its core.

[QbCp7LaZ]

I have heard That lucifer is Christ or viceversa not that I subscribe to it.

Where did you hear something like that?

[loginptsa]

Gonzo, this is not meant as a personal attack.

If after seeing those M's&D quotes above, you still cannot see that the FMC is an admitted luciferian body of worship, I just don't know what to say. You are more intellegent that that.

Semantics such as "Nowhere does it say they worship satan" is below what I normally see coming from you. Satan is Lucifer, is Ba'al, is Moloch, et al.

Besides Ms&D, there are other highly touted masonic authors who admit crux of the FMC is luciferian worship. They use a lot of pretty wording and eloquent writing, but their message is simple:
Belief in Christ is superstition and silly, belief in Lucifer is reasonable and illuminating.

This is why it is so simple to understand that it is an attack on Jesus. You can't believe in lucifer without believing in God. This is why I always say to people: You may not believe in Christ, but the PTB certainly do. I have a number of friends that are in the FMC. They are all lower level master masons, blue lodge 3rd degrees for the most part. A few have gone further. I have approached the friends that I am clse with and expressed my concerns. As usual, they deny my allegations and tout whatever lines that a 3rd degree is told to tout, which is as always a lie that they believe.

I have bought multiple copies of a few different books and given them to people that I care about who are involved in the FMC, and none of them have read a single sentence from the books. The refuse to do any research on it, outside of kosher FMC writings, and they constantly use Bullshit gobble-de-goop from their "emergency book" entitled "The pilgrims path, which is a laughable attempt at refuting proofs that the FMC is an anti-Christian organization.
So be it. The Father has his own plans for them.

The lodge even sent one of my old friends to visit me, under the pretense of "catching up" and "having a beer", but at the end of the night he made his true intentions known, which was to try and convince me that the FMC is not what I say is is, and that I should not believe the writings of Pike, Hall and others. Haha!

Whatever. Just last week I loaned Eppersons book to a co-worker. He set it down on the counter in the bathroom while he was in there, and when he came to the counter to wash his hands, it was stolen. Typical. So I have been praying that whoever has stolen it will read the book, come to their senses, and return it to me.

Anywyays, I got off track, but yeah: The FMC is an satanic cult at its core.

I am not a christian. I've read the bible all the way through (KJV), and wouldn't be opposed to believing, IF I could manage to do so. As of yet, I cannot. Every since I was a child I thought the God of the Bible seemed way too human and limited.

Yeah, masonry is "luciferian"... But that doesn't necessarily equal devil worship. Anyone who says they "seek light" could be said to be "luciferian".

Pike and Hall et al make a lot of references to Light and Truth. That's where the "luciferian" stuff comes in; Lucifer means light-bearer. Satan means adversary. They don't talk about Satan, and don't often talk directly of Lucifer. I'm pretty sure they don't believe in Lucifer as an entity; to them, Lucifer is merely a symbol of Light, Truth, Knowledge. I don't think they believe in Satan as an entity either.

The masonic notion of God is all-encompassing. There is nothing outside of God. Good and evil are both part of God and God's Design. The masonic god is the same as the kabbalist's "Ain Soph". Any notion of God without limit is the God of masonry. The notion of good/evil being flip sides of the same coin is a somewhat dangerous notion, which is partly why the ancient mystery schools hid their beliefs from the mainstream... Unfortunately, the "secrets/mysteries" fell into the wrong hands (Modern Freemasonry), and lower masons are used by those at the top to further their agenda(s).

So, in my opinion, the hierarchy and structure of organized freemasonry is bad or evil, but some of the ideas they hold are not necessarily bad (though they could be used that way by unscrupulous people).

[QbCp7LaZ]

Sounds like you're on your way to "illumination", brother.

I know you don't believe in Jesus, but the masons and the rest of the conspirators do. Be careful.

Last time I will say it: Satan is Lucifer. Lucifer is Satan.

[loginptsa]

Sounds like you're on your way to "illumination", brother.

I know you don't believe in Jesus, but the masons and the rest of the conspirators do. Be careful.

Last time I will say it: Satan is Lucifer. Lucifer is Satan.

LOL, you don't have to worry about me joining a Lodge or anything! I still gag when I see masonic regalia/symbols on peoples' cars and such.

But I do not fear Truth.

I know Theosophy is not popular here, and I am no Theosophist, but I can't knock their motto:




"There is no religion higher than Truth."




I realize that world government/NWO/communism/all that shit is being run essentially by "luciferians", and I by no means support that, but there is some truth to SOME of their beliefs. They just try to use their beliefs to justify doing things that honestly good people wouldn't or couldn't do. They figure the end justifies the means.

"It'll all work out in the end"... that's something I agree with the "lucies" on... except they think the "working out in the end" is a worldwide, totalitarian communist government that they run.

I know that the "working out in the end" is their eventual downfall.

[Frinzer]

The notion of good/evil being flip sides of the same coin is a somewhat dangerous notion, Letting someone else flip that coin for you, is even more dangerous.

The notion of original sin, is the death of the human race.

[DF9sLGSU]

Originally Posted by cthulu I have heard That lucifer is Christ or viceversa not that I subscribe to it.

Where did you hear something like that? google "christ is lucifer". there's plenty of references. The notion that lucifer is the devil or satan or that 2000 years ago someone was named "jesus christ" are both absurd. I'm just saying.

[b3JOkwXL]

I know Theosophy is not popular here, and I am no Theosophist, but I can't knock their motto:

That is not truth, you seem to be years behind on your reading and clueless on all this,
and that's coming from a friend of yours.

I have posted a lot on all this and you never bothered to counter what I post.

They believe in black magic and all sorts of other sick beliefs.

That symbol you have no problem with is a black magic symbol of power to the sick minded.

They play with numbers too and kill people using them.

They corrupt history and attack important Western leaders, promote aliens,
one world government, promote nonsense and jibberish based on nothing
but their own fantasies.

That is their truth that you are for you are saying ?

Masonry and " theo sophists " overlap and did so on gim as well promoting an agenda on there.

They are anti Western and can be accurately described as Oriental Depostism, their beliefs.

Total anti thesis to Western Ideas and Philosophy and through deceit work to destroy from within.

" by their works ye shall know them "

Did you ever bother to read my accounts of confrontation with skyvike and goldisimma ?

It's very revealing.

You can't be Pro West and believe in this shit. They are not.

They seek to destroy White Western Christian European Man.

It's all Jew bullshit. All of it, Pike one of the leaders.

Even on SF they get outed strongly, some of the best threads I have ever seen.

[Niiinioa]

Originally Posted by Awoke Sounds like you're on your way to "illumination", brother.

I know you don't believe in Jesus, but the masons and the rest of the conspirators do. Be careful.

Last time I will say it: Satan is Lucifer. Lucifer is Satan.

LOL, you don't have to worry about me joining a Lodge or anything! I still gag when I see masonic regalia/symbols on peoples' cars and such.

But I do not fear Truth.

I know Theosophy is not popular here, and I am no Theosophist, but I can't knock their motto:




"There is no religion higher than Truth."




I realize that world government/NWO/communism/all that shit is being run essentially by "luciferians", and I by no means support that, but there is some truth to SOME of their beliefs. They just try to use their beliefs to justify doing things that honestly good people wouldn't or couldn't do. They figure the end justifies the means.

"It'll all work out in the end"... that's something I agree with the "lucies" on... except they think the "working out in the end" is a worldwide, totalitarian communist government that they run.

I know that the "working out in the end" is their eventual downfall. What Masons say, and what they do are two different things.

[Niiinioa]

Here is what an average ranked Mason believes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBjOs-egFMs

[b3JOkwXL]

I was going to put up some links, I am tired of that, truth is people here interested should
have already read them or bookmarked them, so I won't bother again.

But I posted 2 screens above, both from masonic books , manuals written for masons.

Third degree masons site the name of demon gods, Jah Bul On, Bul from their own admission
is Baal.

Where does this go ? It's huge. Human sacrifice of children in ancient times, Jesus may
have rebelled against this, not for animal sacrifice or money changing but human sacrifice
of children. Roman and Greek accounts have proven correct.

Go research Theo Sophists yourselves, even wiki links I gave destroy them.

You can shut down discussion as they deceive you just by mentioning the
witches name which I hate to type and spell right, that is why I call her Blat witch.

Plato is their number one target to corrupt , he and his works are The West .

Total anti thesis of what they stand for.

[Niiinioa]

Plato is their number one target to corrupt , he and his works are The West .

yup, they aim to bring about their version of Plato's "Republic".

[Crilosajsamq]

The following story is the 100% undiluted truth:

A few months ago a friend of mine that I believe is a Mason gave me a book to read. This friend was very insistent that I borrow the book even though it was obvious that I wasn't interested in it. Every week or so, she would pester me to read it. Eventually I decided that my friend had some kind of agenda and that is why she wanted me to read the book. As soon as I opened it up to read, I observed that the sentence construction, storyline, and character development of the book were totally nonsensical and disjointed. On top of that, there were a ton of Jewish and occultic references. It was obvious that this book was trying to say something other than what it purported to be saying (by the way it was a book about the holocaust in case anyone is wondering). I decided to do some research regarding the author, publisher, artist, etc...as well as some of the suspicious sounding names of the characters of the book. I grabbed the laptop and started googling away. About 10 seconds after doing my first google search, my home phone rang from a blocked number and no one was on the other end. I hang up, did another google search, got another phone call. This happened several times. This happened between the hours of 9:30-10:30pm.

I eventually stopped searching as I was getting pretty freaked out (the prank phone calls stopped as soon as I stopped searching). A few months later, I read this book on mind control (highly recommended) http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...nd_control.htm
According to the book, there are 'trigger books' out there that operate via hidden meanings and programming. Was that book that my friend gave me a trigger book? I don't know for sure, but I do know that I will be extremely careful with masonic books of any kind in the future.

dys

ps- I posted this on another thread, but it's worth repeating: in addition to theosophy, also watch out for discordiansim and especially thelema.

[b3JOkwXL]

Lots of key links here.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/the-zeitgeist-movementvenus-project-is-a-united-nations-front!/

Read this thread. After this thread she openly began posting about lucifer.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/religion-and-philosophy/parallel-universes-exist-time-travel-possible-(tough-one-for-religions)/

Read first link above how I began to question what they were posting.

They will promote this crap in person and lie in person.

A lucifer lover Braden posted by goldie the theosophist mo totally who later posts on lucifer
posts garbage and lies about constantine and later takes shots at Charles the Great, he is a
mason, Plato is a mason too, ROFL ! Skyvike emails me back, he knows Plato the mathmatician,
rofl, I don't, lol, they use numbers for " magical " purposes. Sarge was posting a lot about this
on agora, a very knowledgable poster way ahead of everyone. The demon worshippers don't
believe in good teachings as they corrupt but black magic and stupidity.

[b3JOkwXL]

yup, they aim to bring about their version of Plato's "Republic".

Plato does not lay down the law on any society, as described by historians,
" plato concerns himself with justice and the moral state " .

One Prof asks, What does plato say or believe, nothing.

The process is the education. Thinking , questioning.

Even the Romans had a problem with this and " sophist " became semi dirty name.

Plato had a problem with the Iliad and Odyssey, questioned them, that is not Justice.

There are 3 societies Plato has up for discussion or 4, lol, from my count.

What Plato writes about is not possible, he destroys his own creation,
what he is doing, questioning would not be possible, as he promotes
questioning as key, being involved, not being an idiot, ie, apathetic,
without this evil overcomes the government. Plato states he himself
would be killed. He goes full circle, starts all this cause of Socrates.

People corrupt Plato and deceive people on his works, I just did 2 major
podcasts and look at my own copy of The Republic, not an easy work to
read, even NeoCons corrupt Plato, Strauss, make him a communist.

The Cave I posted above is The Matrix.

You are all Philosopher Kings, take your fellow man out of the Cave to see the light.

Apollo's light.

Do not be deceived by the puppet masters.

A historian on Plato, Philosophy PHD and University Prof,
" it will take you 3 or 4 reads with direction to begin to understand " .

It is hard to read and boring even, I would not recommend it as reading,
I did have a big thread on the Classics, I recommended picking up more
than one copy and reading the preface and intro of different authors,
translation, and time period, what do they highlight, that alone is a very
educational exercise, since then I have done more but my initial advice is
stands.

I posted Plato's Cave on here a few times, people don't know what I am posting it seems.

That is disappointing, considering one of the versions I found on gim by a member,
the cartoon stick one, that's funny and real at times, beat your buddy and drag him
out if you have too.

Who is the Philosopher King on this microcausm of society.

Gaillo is.

[Crilosajsamq]

Magnes-

You know me, you know that I am no Mason and you know I'm a follower of Jesus Christ... I have to say one thing: in the past I have strongly suspected that Plato was a Mason. Now, it's been a long time since I've looked into it, a couple of years anyway, and I will definetely revisit it. Of course I could be wrong, but usually my instincts about this stuff are pretty good.

dys

[b3JOkwXL]

Magnes-

This is modern garbage, what they do is corrupt him, there is even a book that they wrote saying this.

Masons and the Occult burrow from many to corrupt, symbols, history, etc, it's all mumbo jumbo,

Plato would shit on them, matter of fact he did, their kind.

Reason Vs Black Magic

You should have a close look at my post above.

You want references, will take some work.

The Blat Witch hates Plato and the Greeks,
calls them heathens, their language heathen,
as she goes on to use Greek language,
The Sophist, this alone is corruption by association.
There is nothing Theo or even Sophist about them.

Do people here believe in Justice, one word describes
our societies, and what the Occult stands against.

These images are even in physical metals that have not
changed much over the thousands of years.

[Txaizdxx]

I've been meaning to get a copy for a while now, but haven't felt like spending $50 or $60 on one.

The other day I found a copy at my local used bookstore for $7!

I bought it and have since been reading through it and so far it is not what I imagined it would be.

It's pretty damn interesting so far - and I'm a non-mason (and if anything, an anti-mason)!


Has anyone here actually read it?


Or do any masons wanna out themselves? lol

Masonry is evil. My advice is to throw that book into the fire.

[b3JOkwXL]

I know Theosophy is not popular here, and I am no Theosophist, but I can't knock their motto:




"There is no religion higher than Truth."

What truth do they promote first of all ?

What did they teach us ?

This witch actually lives, many NGO's doing her work.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Blavatsky

The three declared objects of the original Theosophical Society as established by Blavatsky, Judge and Olcott were as follows:

* First — To form a nucleus of the Universal Brotherhood of Humanity, without distinction of race, creed, sex, caste, or color.