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[datingcrew]

tig, ever stop to think that the negative attitude of americans (and i use that term loosely in ur case) like you, play a large part in why the insurgents think 'they' are the ones succeeding in this war?? every time a 'peace rally' , or 'war-protest' rally is held, it's big news overseas.. and they take that bit of info and tell all their buddies that we are weak and stupid and they can defeat us..

if instead.. the people here rallied more FOR the war against terrorism.. they might.. just might.. get more of the iraqi locals behind the ball and push them terrorists out in the boonies where they can't hurt anyone.. round em up and blow em up, get rid of them quickly and with dispatch, let THAT be the big news going through their camps and u know what??.. the war could have been over a year ago.. or longer.. because the terrorists would know that ALL americans are coming after them.. in word and deed..

u panty-waist whiners make me sick.

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I'm not happy that's it's always so lopsided.

[sapedotru]

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[bmwservis]

The thing is, it's futile to report much of the good news in Iraq. We hunt down terrorists, but every day more are recruited. We train Iraqi police forces, but every day they get blown up. We build infrastructure, it gets blown up. We rebuild it, it gets blown up again. We clear a city of insurgents then move on , and the insurgents fill the same city up again.

If we were actually making significant progress you'd hear about it. But we're not. Good things happen yes, but then they get destroyed. One step forward, one step back. That's the story of Bush's war.

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[diundasmink]

But then we'd have chaos, because you would have to apply the same principle across the board (or does the war in Iraq deserve to be a special case? If so, why?). For example, most times people take illegal drugs, nothing particularly bad happens as a consequence. Like 99% of the time. If the papers started reporting that, would you be happy?

Imagine the headline: "BOY SMOKES REEFER - LISTENS TO MUSIC AND EATS PANCAKES, THEN GOES TO BED." Not much of a story, huh? I wouldn't buy the paper.

[diundasmink]

Idnew, it's much the same over here, as far as narcotics that should be incinerated go. They very often end up back on the street. The police all too often are just another gang.

Yeah, some good news would be good - I'm not addicted to gloom myself. But as we say, no news is good news.

[diundasmink]

Fair enough!

What about Americans who feel that US troops shouldn't be in Iraq in the first place? And there are still reports coming in of US troops and Iraqi police, etc., being killed. Perhaps the US should take on an enemy that will give less trouble. France, for example.

[diundasmink]

Rosie, if the average Arab thought like you, then what you say might be true. But with Arabs you are dealing with a very different mindset. Not better or worse, just different. Sorry for cross-thread issues, but you regard them as being cowardly when they hide in mosques? What do you imagine they think of Americans, firing cruise missiles at Baghdad from the Gulf?!?! Just how manly is that?

I don't know of any decent person in America or Britain or anywhere else who actually supports terrorism. Nobody likes it, not conservatives, not liberals - nobody. It's politically immature to pretend otherwise. The problem is, and has always been, the way the war on terrorism has been conducted. You, the American people, have been lied to, deliberately or otherwise. Same for us Brits. Colin Powell admits that he has a serious blemish on his career. Now we are stuck with an ongoing war in Iraq, which, if you look at what it's costing in terms of human lives (Iraqis are human too) as well as its cash cost, is - well, it comes at a high cost.

And you seriously think that just maybe if people would shut up and get behind the government that has lied to you and led you into a pointless war, then the Iraqis would round up and finish off the insurgents? Let me tell you, here we have had an ongoing war (hopefully over now, after much dialogue - remember "dialogue", talking to people you don't like much?) with Irish republican terrorists, much of their funding being raised in freedom-loving America. The British authorities and army captured and killed them, and yet they (the IRA and other militias) kept on coming - and that's in a tiny country, nothing compared to the Arab world. I can't recall one person saying they supported the IRA or even believed much in their cause (seccession of the province of Northern Ireland from the United Kingdom). You really have no idea what you're up against, but the likes of Tig shutting up will make no difference at all. None. At. All. If you hadn't noticed, the Iraqi police is heavily infiltrated with people who don't necessarily have Iraq's best interests at heart. Show me one western state that has no police or gov't corruption.

If you so value freedom, you will also value your fellow citizens' right to disagree with you, and you have absolutely no business in questioning their "American-ness" when they exercise that right. Or just what the hell is all the fighting for?

[beckercpa]

Poll: Most Americans Not In Iraq
by Scott Ott
(2005-09-23) -- Hours after a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll revealed that fewer than half of respondents believe the U.S. can win the war in Iraq, a second survey showed that more than 99 percent of Americans are not in Iraq, and almost as many form opinions about the war based exclusively on what they learn from CNN, USA Today and other news organizations.

Of the 818 Americans telephoned by pollsters, according to an unnamed Gallup spokesman, roughly zero percent are currently stationed in Iraq, where about 150,000 U.S. troops spend their days providing security, hunting down terrorists, training Iraqi police and soldiers and rebuilding schools, water systems and other infrastructure elements.

Almost 97 percent of those surveyed answered "strongly agree" to the statement: "Every single thing I know about U.S. efforts in Iraq, I learned from news reports in the mainstream media."

Of those people, the vast majority said they believe U.S. troops spend their days "driving around in Humvees, trying to detonate improvised explosive devices with their tires."

A unnamed CNN reporter, stationed in a Green Zone hotel lounge in Baghdad, said the new surveys "simply reinforce what I've known for two years -- the war in Iraq is unwinnable. For some reason, America seems to have lost her will to fight for freedom."

[RlUbQU3R]

If your getting nothing but bad news off of a network all the time then the people think........."oh why are we there then" but if your hearing good and bad news then the polls show that.

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[juyrett]

It is neccessary to report bad things but to exclude the good is bad reporting. good things happen but it seems no one notices because all they hear is the bad things that go on and that is why we have people who run around thinking that we arent helping people in Iraq...


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[RlUbQU3R]

For one thing the news media should be giving equal time to what's going on as far as improvements to Iraq instead of this got bombed today, this many servicemen and women got killed doing so and so, another sucide bomber blew up x number of people, etc etc..........always everything bad nothing good.

[bmwservis]

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[diundasmink]

MetalRipper and Idnew: Did you understand my point? MR, I don't know what you think the law has to do with it. I was talking about the media, not the legal system. The truth about marijuana is that the story I made up is a much more realistic description of what really happens than all the drug scare-stories you hear, but they only publish the scare-stories because the media likes to publish bad news. It sells papers.

Idnew, where does all that cocaine end up? Up the noses of people who take cocaine, of course. While I don't put cocaine in the same category as marijuana - I have experience of both drugs, and I won't take any crap from anyone who doesn't have similar experience - most of the time, even with coke, nothing particularly bad happens. I can point you to far worse cases of alcohol abuse, alcohol being a much more dangerous drug - again, I speak from experience.

A different example headline, as drugs is a contentious topic: SCOOP! 25,000 CARS TRAVELLED DOWN FREEWAY XYZ THIS MORNING: NO PILE-UPS OR ACCIDENTS AT ALL! READ ALL ABOUT IT!!

Now do you see my point? I'm not saying this phenomenon is good or bad, it's just the way it is, and it doesn't just apply to the war.

[bmwservis]

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[diundasmink]

1) Yes we are committed to the war in Iraq. That doesn't make it a good idea. I am not a military or political expert, and at first I didn't speak out against the war - Saddam had been put in power by the west, so the west could remove him as far as I was concerned. Hindsight is 20/20, but I don't claim I had foresight at the time. I also believed many of the lies - why shouldn't I have?

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[beckercpa]

Run a poll on how the people doing the fighting in Iraq feel. They know what's really going on there.. Ever wonder why they don't do that?

[bmwservis]

What's the alternative--government run media? More organizations like FOX news (which is an unapologetic mouthpiece for the administration)? Seems to me your idea of paradise is a fascist state there wunch.

Me, I'll take America, the land of freedom, warts and all.