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Old 06-28-2011, 04:39 PM   #1
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Default UI fail on OSX
In finder, right click on a file and the menu goes:

OPEN

MOVE TO TRASH

GET INFO

What complete lack of common sense dictated that they put the delete button right between two of the most commonly used options?

I'm sure it will now be pointed out that none of you are stupid enough to click that button and pour scorn on anyone who would be such a monumental buffoon, but mistakes happen in every single human being (as much as 99% of people on here would refuse to admit it) and that's just a daft place to put it.

A pre-emptive strike against anyone who is about to draw to my attention the layout of car pedals; you only have two feet and they operate independently. They are in no way related to the form factor of a user interface.
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:57 PM   #2
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In finder, right click on a file and the menu goes:

OPEN

MOVE TO TRASH

GET INFO

What complete lack of common sense dictated that they put the delete button right between two of the most commonly used options?

I'm sure it will now be pointed out that none of you are stupid enough to click that button and pour scorn on anyone who would be such a monumental buffoon, but mistakes happen in every single human being (as much as 99% of people on here would refuse to admit it) and that's just a daft place to put it.

A pre-emptive strike against anyone who is about to draw to my attention the layout of car pedals; you only have two feet and they operate independently. They are in no way related to the form factor of a user interface.
None of us would be stupid enough to click on the break pedal in a car.



Having no experience with OS X, can't you just recover it from the trash like you can in windows? Meaning that any harm done by this is easily recovered?
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Old 06-28-2011, 07:27 PM   #3
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None of us would be stupid enough to click on the break pedal in a car.



Having no experience with OS X, can't you just recover it from the trash like you can in windows? Meaning that any harm done by this is easily recovered?
I just want to point out that there are separator bars between open, trash and info buttons. And yes you can just open the trash and restore files. I will say that the restore function however is a little strange and isn't always available.
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Old 06-28-2011, 07:28 PM   #4
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Having no experience with OS X, can't you just recover it from the trash like you can in windows? Meaning that any harm done by this is easily recovered?
Yes you can, but that doesn't stop it being a daft place to put it in UI design terms.
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Old 06-28-2011, 08:21 PM   #5
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I just want to point out that there are separator bars between open, trash and info buttons. And yes you can just open the trash and restore files. I will say that the restore function however is a little strange and isn't always available.
Restore isn't nessesar if its just one file and you aren't a moron who uses the trash to store things like mad. I empty the trash several times a day.

For those who don't have OS X , this is what the OP is talking about. There is a huge separation between trash and other stuff.

I have NEVER mistakenly clicked trash when I meant "get info"

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Old 06-28-2011, 08:29 PM   #6
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Restore isn't nessesar if its just one file and you aren't a moron who uses the trash to store things like mad. I empty the trash several times a day.

For those who don't have OS X , this is what the OP is talking about. There is a huge separation between trash and other stuff.

I have NEVER mistakenly clicked trash when I meant "get info"

*heavy sigh* - It's not the point that there is a heavy separation. It's just a dumb place to put it. If there is a 1% chance of it being clicked there and a 0.1% chance of it being clicked at the bottom of the list then it should be at the bottom of the list.

Obviously though, if you have never clicked it then it won't be a problem for anyone else in the world. [rolleyes]

It just seems daft to tempt fate when it can be avoided.

If you knew anything about UI design you would know that the human mind learns where things are and instinctively clicks on things when it gets used to them being there. One small slip and you can click on the wrong thing because it is in the middle of two useful areas.
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Old 06-28-2011, 09:39 PM   #7
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They are put in order of popularity. Simple as that.
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Old 06-28-2011, 10:27 PM   #8
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They are put in order of popularity. Simple as that.
I bet you won't find the self-destruct button next to the launch button at NASA!
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Old 06-28-2011, 10:30 PM   #9
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Still doesn't bother me.

I have no issues with accidentally choosing move to trash. And if you do, a simple CMD-Z will fix it right away.
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Old 06-28-2011, 10:30 PM   #10
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Still doesn't bother me.

I have no issues with accidentally choosing move to trash. And if you do, a simple CMD-Z will fix it right away.
I don't really care if it doesn't bother you. It's poor UI design. Simple as that.
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Old 06-28-2011, 10:34 PM   #11
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I don't really care if it doesn't bother you. It's poor UI design. Simple as that.
That depends on what is considered "right". It works, its fast. Its one of the most common options.

If you don't like it go hack it. It can be changed. For the rest of us it works pretty good. I've never once thought "that shouldn't be there". It works.
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Old 06-28-2011, 10:49 PM   #12
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That depends on what is considered "right". It works, its fast. Its one of the most common options.

If you don't like it go hack it. It can be changed. For the rest of us it works pretty good. I've never once thought "that shouldn't be there". It works.
I don't know why everything has to be quantified down to nano level on here. It wasn't a thought designed to start the path to a G8 summit intervention.

However, putting a destructive command in the middle of two productive commands is bad UI. It's really non-negotiable. I haven't clicked it myself yet, I was just musing as nobody else seems to post anything on here anymore.
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Old 06-28-2011, 10:57 PM   #13
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I don't know why everything has to be quantified down to nano level on here. It wasn't a thought designed to start the path to a G8 summit intervention.

However, putting a destructive command in the middle of two productive commands is bad UI. It's really non-negotiable. I haven't clicked it myself yet, I was just musing as nobody else seems to post anything on here anymore.
Why is the Delete button next to the Insert button? Surely that's a terrible design flaw on almost all keyboards.
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:28 PM   #14
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Why is the Delete button next to the Insert button? Surely that's a terrible design flaw on almost all keyboards.
You have 50% of a point, but neither of those keys are used that often in general use.

Nothing can be 100% ergonomic and some sacrifices have to be made, but these primary functions should not be grouped together.
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:37 PM   #15
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You have 50% of a point, but neither of those keys are used that often in general use.

Nothing can be 100% ergonomic and some sacrifices have to be made, but these primary functions should not be grouped together.
Just like Delete and Rename in the Windows Explorer r/click menu.
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:41 PM   #16
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Just like Delete and Rename in the Windows Explorer r/click menu.
*another deep sigh* I'm not trying to make windows look bad as well.
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Old 06-29-2011, 02:09 AM   #17
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On a keyboard delete is pretty near the return key too. Return must be one of the most used keys on a keyboard.
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Old 06-29-2011, 02:18 AM   #18
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On a keyboard delete is pretty near the return key too.
As already said, nothing is perfect and a keyboard was a very hard one to get right. The OSX situation was completely avoidable.

Is this a competition to show the least common sense?
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Old 06-29-2011, 10:03 AM   #19
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Command + I is your friend.

Honestly, it wasn't until I started using OS X that I heavily started using hotkeys with an OS.

But sure, I can see your point of them being positioned so closely for empathy sake.
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Old 06-29-2011, 03:34 PM   #20
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None of us would be stupid enough to click on the break pedal in a car. If you think about what it would be like if the clutch+break were replaced, you'll understand why the break pedal has to be where it is...
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