[mloversia]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05...nes/index.html

While for many this is not something new its still good to hear that this study was a joke. Thoughts?

[pE71J5Sw]

Happy to see this as a fraud and debunked. Unfortunately, so many people believe this to be true. It will be many many years before the MMR/Autism link is gone.

[DiBellaBam]

It's been known for years that the study was bollox. The man was employed by a group that was taking legal action against a vaccine manufacturer and paid to produce evidence to support their case. He was struck of for severe medical misconduct.

What's sad is so many people have latched onto this fraudsters study and are still blindly defending it because otherwise they'd actually have to admit they're mistaken and slightly paranoid.

[oB8LI2kP]

Well duuuuuuh.

[sisuarmalmicy]

What's sad is so many people have latched onto this fraudsters study and are still blindly defending it because otherwise they'd actually have to admit they're mistaken and slightly paranoid.

And that they don't have anyone to blame/sue for it.

Thoughts? Only that I wonder if these articles (showing it to be a fraud) circulating will put a hold on the latest/next round of 'evil pharmaceutical companies killing our babies with their drugs!' paranoia and lawsuits. I doubt it though.

[Wmshyrga]

And that they don't have anyone to blame/sue for it.

Only that I wonder if these articles (showing it to be a fraud) circulating will put a hold on the latest/next round of 'evil pharmaceutical companies killing our babies with their drugs!' paranoia and lawsuits. I doubt it though.

I'm sure most people are realistic and knowledgeable enough to know and understand being paranoiac is a mental sickness and is not cured by reasoning.

[gypearteday]

It's just like how the global warming data was proven to be fraud.

[Lydiaswingert]

It's just like how the global warming data was proven to be fraud.

No. It's not.

[gypearteday]

No. It's not.

What do you call this then? http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504383_1...80-504383.html

[outdog]

It's just like how the global warming data was proven to be fraud.

I would expect that to be sarcasm from most people, however it's well established you're one of the idiots on that subject!

It WASN'T! There was a "trick" used to counter a statistical anomality involving, IIRC, the growth rings of trees that veered of the expected path from the 1950s. You seem to thing an isolated study irregularity means thousands of other studies, and plain observation are false?
Remember that global sea rise post from 'Scout? The one that was supposed to refute sea level rises but that actually demonstrated a projected 30% INCREASE (minimum) in melting rates this century compared to last? You said "I always said the man made global warming scare was a scam and it already has been proven to be so." You stupid, stupid, stupid boy!
There are many more instances, that was just the latest

[outdog]

What do you call this then? http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504383_1...80-504383.html

Did you read it? In short, some researchers are unhappy with some software one of them was using to interpret some data. As the article says, "innocuous to embarrassing" and certainly nothing to support your, or that REPUBLICAN politian's, prejudices and wilful ignorance!

[gypearteday]

I can see you people are blinded and its gonna take some time to turn you guys around. Here is another interesting article. http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/...ming020507.htm ] Just try having an open mind when you read it.

[Lydiaswingert]

I can see you people are blinded and its gonna take some time to turn you guys around. Here is another interesting article. http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/...ming020507.htm ] Just try having an open mind when you read it.

That's exactly the phrase I've heard from vaccine-autism people.

I don't want to have an OPEN mind. It doesn't have to accept every bullshit idea that comes along. My mind is accepting of ideas that are supported by evidence, not a septic tank which accepts any turd that floats in.

[outdog]

I can see you people are blinded and its gonna take some time to turn you guys around. Here is another interesting article. http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/...ming020507.htm ] Just try having an open mind when you read it.

Have you actually read that?

Thanks for posting that, he does raise some interesting details, but in the main does little more than rant about his qualifications - which he seems confused about (he says "Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England" and "doctorate in climatology from the University of London, Queen Mary College" although the latter doesn't appear to be possible at UoL as it's not an option, certainly not when he was there - and you would think he'd use cap's for that) and the scientific method, different theories about which way the climate is moving (overlooking the point that since the fifties the methods of establishing temperatures in the past has improved by orders of magnitude, and so had a affect on scientific theories and observations since then) and politicians who don't have much idea what they're talking about*.
Heck, this paragraph is even self contradicting, if I follow his arguement correctly "In another instance, I was accused by Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki of being paid by oil companies. That is a lie. Apparently he thinks if the fossil fuel companies pay you have an agenda. So if Greenpeace, Sierra Club or governments pay there is no agenda and only truth and enlightenment?" - does that mean admits to being paid by the Oil Companies or not, as it would seem he is but denies any bias arising from that - to be fair, they may be paying him because of his views, so he hasn't changed them?
I don;t know if you realise it, but he doesn't seem to deny temperature rises, according to this "I was as opposed to the threats of impending doom global cooling engendered as I am to the threats made about Global Warming. Let me stress I am not denying the phenomenon has occurred. The world has warmed since 1680, the nadir of a cool period called the Little Ice Age (LIA) that has generally continued to the present. These climate changes are well within natural variability and explained quite easily by changes in the sun. But there is nothing unusual going on", just that mankind has had any influence on it - so on one hand he agrees, but on the other he disagrees, without actually giving any real reason.

Heck, it's late (3:15am here), so I've bookmarked that site and will follow some of the links in the next day or two - some must have real merit, or so I hope!

*I agree with him there, some, like Al Gore have done a lot of damage to the enviromental movement and, IMO, are f***ing idiots - planting trees so you can continue to burn massive amounts of fossile fuel is a total BS arguement - fossile fuels are a finite resource and planting trees to fix the carbon does NOTHING to reduce the rate the fuel is burned - in his, and other instances, it probably makes the situation worse.

[gypearteday]

That's exactly the phrase I've heard from vaccine-autism people.

I don't want to have an OPEN mind. It doesn't have to accept every bullshit idea that comes along. My mind is accepting of ideas that are supported by evidence, not a septic tank which accepts any turd that floats in.

Look to be honest I don't care if what you believe. The truth will come out in the end and we probably will be dead by then. I actually hope the earth does go crazy and tilt on its axis and destroys the world like in that movie.

[Lydiaswingert]

Look to be honest I don't care if what you believe. The truth will come out in the end and we probably will be dead by then. I actually hope the earth does go crazy and tilt on its axis and destroys the world like in that movie.

If you don't care about other people's opinions then why do you post? Perhaps you should go back to masturbating in front of the mirror then.

[georgshult]

*I agree with him there, some, like Al Gore have done a lot of damage to the enviromental movement and, IMO, are f***ing idiots - planting trees so you can continue to burn massive amounts of fossile fuel is a total BS arguement - fossile fuels are a finite resource and planting trees to fix the carbon does NOTHING to reduce the rate the fuel is burned - in his, and other instances, it probably makes the situation worse.

Makes it a bit ironic that fossil fuels originate from dead trees, no?

But yeah I agree with you here.
Also I believe these days you're just better off not knowing. Don't think the human mind is made to understand the connection (cause-result) between so many things. Emotion starts acting up and that messes up everything!

That doesn't make the current situation any better btw, but might give some insight in how to solve it. (e.g. appoint only a couple of smart people to solve these kinds of problems, and not let the whole freaking world have a say in it while they also have to decide which kind of addiction they want to spend their money on, which affects that decision!)

In the Netherlands people are all about getting "green" and "biological" products, while buying neither of those will help us get a greener future. That's what happens when WE get to decide; the media basically decides for us, and they're only interested in one kind of green [thumbup]

Very very interesting topic to talk about though!

EDIT: Looked it up: Effectively it takes approx 2 pine trees to get 1 barrel of oil.