[CicyHannyCeli]

Not quite, but my 3 strike death penalty by gunfire (or other cheap method) 1 year after the 3rd conviction (doesn't matter what) is somthing I would like.

I have not composed a list of crimes that warrant the death penalty after the first conviction yet, but there are certainly things that would apply.

Even by my standards, that seems rather Draconian*. Unless you mean serious assaults or hard drug dealing?

*Look up the origin of the term...

[Snitiendumurn]

Even by my standards, that seems rather Draconian*. Unless you mean serious assaults or hard drug dealing?

*Look up the origin of the term...

Yeah the three strikes law has already led to oddities where various people have been sentenced to 25, even 50 to life for things like stealing a couple of VHS tapes, a slice of pizza and a set of golf clubs. This is UTGeneral though so what do you expect?

[Nidsstese]

Yeah the three strikes law has already led to oddities where various people have been sentenced to 25, even 50 to life for things like stealing a couple of VHS tapes, a slice of pizza and a set of golf clubs

the only issue with these sentences is, they fill prisons and cost money

[CicyHannyCeli]

the only issue with these sentences is, they fill prisons and cost money

Well, when you consider the vastly increased deterent value and that most prisoners are repeat offenders who spend a large proportion of their time incarcerated already, I wouldn't be surprised to see a net drop within a short period of time.

I HATE thieves, for example - many of them have stolen the equivalent of hundreds or thousands on man-hours from people many times, so I have no problem with them loosing as much or, preferably, more. Put them to work to repay their victims - bring back the chain gangs!
However, IMO, the stiff penalties should be matched by support for those who are really trying to change their ways - many simply don't know anything different, lacking the skills and knowledge to earn an honest dollar, for example, many will have poor vocal and reading/writing skills.

[Nidsstese]

However, IMO, the stiff penalties should be matched by support for those who are really trying to change their ways - many simply don't know anything different, lacking the skills and knowledge to earn an honest dollar, for example, many will have poor vocal and reading/writing skills.

I agree on that, my method would leave more funds available for that cause.

[XarokLasa]

I agree on that, my method would leave more funds available for that cause.

Having people on death row does not SAVE money, it COSTS money due to appeals and what not.

[Nidsstese]

Having people on death row does not SAVE money, it COSTS money due to appeals and what not.

someone needs to read the posts first

[HomePageOEMfreeSOFTWARE]

I hear that the crime rate in the USA and UK is high and people there are fed up with the justice system.

I saw this episode of 'Sliders', Dead Man Sliding, recently and wonder how many people in the USA and UK will want this kind of effective but extreme justice system to be implemented.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/77625/slid...ad-man-sliding
http://earthprime.com/episode-guide/...n-sliding.html

In that episode, lawyers are banned and punishments are draconian, swift and carried out publicly. A person convicted of murder can be executed in 24 hours, unlike now when he can spend years on death row before being executed (or even get away scott free). Justice delayed is justice denied, and crime proliferates as a result.

[Espacamlisa]

I hear that the crime rate in the USA and UK is high and people there are fed up with the justice system.

I saw this episode of 'Sliders', Dead Man Sliding, recently and wonder how many people in the USA and UK will want this kind of effective but extreme justice system to be implemented.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/77625/slid...ad-man-sliding
http://earthprime.com/episode-guide/...n-sliding.html

In that episode, lawyers are banned and punishments are draconian, swift and carried out publicly. A person convicted of murder can be executed in 24 hours, unlike now when he can spend years on death row before being executed (or even get away scott free). Justice delayed is justice denied, and crime proliferates as a result.

According to a number of studies, anywhere from 3 to 10% of the people on death row have not committed the crime they were sentenced to death for. Overall, no less than 10% of the prison population have no committed the crime they are doing time for, with some estimates (varying by state and time period) ranging higher than 20%.

Our justice system is notorious for letting habitual offenders slip through the cracks, but allowing the society to persecute casual offenders to the point of stupidity.

Also, if history is any indication (it is), then any justice system that is heavily skewed towards harsh punishment, is both a sign of a totalitarian state, AND unequivocally becomes a tool used by bureaucrats to usurp power.

[T1ivuQGS]

I hear that the crime rate in the USA and UK is high and people there are fed up with the justice system.

I saw this episode of 'Sliders', Dead Man Sliding, recently and wonder how many people in the USA and UK will want this kind of effective but extreme justice system to be implemented.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/77625/slid...ad-man-sliding
http://earthprime.com/episode-guide/...n-sliding.html

In that episode, lawyers are banned and punishments are draconian, swift and carried out publicly. A person convicted of murder can be executed in 24 hours, unlike now when he can spend years on death row before being executed (or even get away scott free). Justice delayed is justice denied, and crime proliferates as a result.

Worst idea ever.

[Grorointeri]

I hear that the crime rate in the USA and UK is high and people there are fed up with the justice system.

I saw this episode of 'Sliders', Dead Man Sliding, recently and wonder how many people in the USA and UK will want this kind of effective but extreme justice system to be implemented.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/77625/slid...ad-man-sliding
http://earthprime.com/episode-guide/...n-sliding.html

In that episode, lawyers are banned and punishments are draconian, swift and carried out publicly. A person convicted of murder can be executed in 24 hours, unlike now when he can spend years on death row before being executed (or even get away scott free). Justice delayed is justice denied, and crime proliferates as a result.

No.

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[Snitiendumurn]

In that episode, lawyers are banned and punishments are draconian, swift and carried out publicly. A person convicted of murder can be executed in 24 hours,

That's not an episode of Sliders that's called China.

unlike now when he can spend years on death row before being executed (or even get away scott free). Justice delayed is justice denied, and crime proliferates as a result.

Being on death row isn't justice delayed. The right to appeal is at the core of the modern justice system. How does crime proliferate because somebody is in jail for 5 to 10 years?

Personally I don't even see the death penalty as a deterrent. Deterrents only really work on lesser crimes with stiff sentences. For instance if you wanted to steal some fruit and you knew the result would be you could spend 5 years in jail that's a deterrent. You weigh the desire for a free apple against the likelihood of loosing 5 years of freedom. If you have decided you are going to murder someone you have chosen to break one of the most basic moral codes. In which case I don't believe you care about the consequences at all.

[CicyHannyCeli]

If there was a 100% surety that the accused was actually guilty of the crime, perhaps.
However, many people are innocent and would be unfairly punished.

Reminds me of the old joke - Ahmed sses Abdul walking down the street and sees that Abdul's hand has been stitched back on "What happened", he asked. "I was accused of stealing but won my appeal!".

I may agree that a review of the Justice System would be in order, though. I'm not a fan of plea bargaining or concurrent sentences except in exceptional cases!

[zlopikanikanza]

No,but I take it you would?

[Nidsstese]

Not quite, but my 3 strike death penalty by gunfire (or other cheap method) 1 year after the 3rd conviction (doesn't matter what) is somthing I would like.

I have not composed a list of crimes that warrant the death penalty after the first conviction yet, but there are certainly things that would apply.