[tattcasetle]

Speed limit 45. I was going just under. As soon as the light turned yellow, I went to 50 and was in the intersection before the light turned red. At the same moment, someone who was at a red light saw the light turn yellow for me and moved halfway into the intersection. We almost hit each other.

I was speeding to avoid the red light, he ran the red light for whatever reason. If we would have hit each other, who would have been at fault?

[fount_pirat]

The other guy would have been at fault. Unless it was green for him, he has no argument, regardless as to what speed you were doing.

I just have to add in the obligatory... but you shouldn't have been speeding!

[hojutok]

Tough call. I could see it going either way depending on who hit who. Yellow does not mean GO. If you had time and room to stop, and you hit the person, you could probably be held at fault.

[Zptmsemk]

In California, the lighter skin color seems to win.

[tattcasetle]

I just have to add in the obligatory... but you shouldn't have been speeding!

True, but the need of the me outweighs the need of the you... Or however that goes.

Tough call. I could see it going either way depending on who hit who. Yellow does not mean GO. If you had time and room to stop, and you hit the person, you could probably be held at fault.

From the insurance company's perspective, they could easily say "**** the both of you."

That said, I do realize that I would have been partially at fault. It's just a strange dilemma. If either one of us wouldn't have been breaking the traffic laws, then there would have been no chance of an accident. There was only a potential accident because BOTH of us were breaking traffic laws.

[netamargr]

Would have be his fault, he ran red light, you didn't
The law says, if more than half of your car is after the intersection before the light turns red, then you didn't break the red light

Other than that, technically you are to blame too if an accident would have happened, hundreds of accidents happen everyday because of this, just one second patience for that guy and a minute patience for you shouldn't have caused even a chance of an accident.

I really don't get it, what is the rush?, or is it a cool thing to run a red light, does it make people feed bad ass or something?

I am not trying to blame you in particular, I am talking in general, I think it is just pure stupidity, and those people don't understand the lesson till they cause an accident and when it happens, they deserve it.

[inilbowly]

By the way, whenever there is an accident because someone ran a red light, how will you ever prove your innocence to the police? Its testimony vs testimony (unless you hit a clown car with ten clows in it, but who believes a clown anyway?).

[osteoftex]

In California, the lighter skin color seems to win.

in malaysia it is the other way around.

[ancexiaepidge]

Originally Posted by will_perdikakis In California, the lighter skin color seems to win.

in malaysia it is the other way around. In Malaysia, the darker skin color seems to lose?

Anyhoooo...

In winter it's sometimes impossible to break at yellowlights. You would just slide over the intersection anyway. So I just speed.

[asSexate]

Most countries, if you can stop safely, you must do so. If you're driving in slippery conditions, you should slow down.

AM, if you entered the intersection before it turned red, I would expect you'd get off on running the light, but you may get a ticket for the speeding. Remeber, the energy of the collision is to the square of the speed 40mph is more than 50% more energetic than 30mph.
The chap that entered the intersection BEFORE it turned green would definitely be in the wrong.
So, you would be foolish for speeding but he'd cause the crash - at least, that's how I see it.

[ancexiaepidge]

Even at 40km/h limit if the light changes 5-10 meters before the intersection to yellow it's impossible to stop. And we use studded tyres here.

[AlexanderDrew]

Red = Stop
Yellow = Warning
Green = Go

Pretty much simple stuff.

If it was yellow when you passed it, then its only the warning to say Stop is coming. Yellow doesn't mean stop.

Regardless of the speed you was doing.

[zU8KbeIU]

Yellow doesn't mean stop

It doesn't mean "speed up so you'll beat the red light" either. And can I just say it's not "yellow" it's amber.

[ancexiaepidge]

It doesn't mean "speed up so you'll beat the red light" either. And can I just say it's not "yellow" it's amber.

amberlamps?!

[asSexate]

Red = Stop
Yellow = Warning
Green = Go

Pretty much simple stuff.

If it was yellow when you passed it, then its only the warning to say Stop is coming. Yellow doesn't mean stop.

Regardless of the speed you was doing.

Do you have a driving licence?
Quoted directly from the UK Highway Code...

"AMBER means ‘Stop’ at the stop line. You may go on only if the AMBER appears after you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident".

Same thing applies to most countries.

[ancexiaepidge]

Do you have a driving licence?
Quoted directly from the UK Highway Code...

"AMBER means ‘Stop’ at the stop line. You may go on only if the AMBER appears after you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident".

Same thing applies to most countries.

This is true.

The fact what "are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident" means if accident happens rests on shoulders of Police.

And in my opinion weather should be considered as a factor too.

[Zptmsemk]

And in my opinion weather should be considered as a factor too.

Not just your opinion, but fact also. [thumbup]

The laymenized comprehension of a yellow light is: Stop if safe to do so.

"Safe" is at the discretion of the driver. Road conditions, vehicle condition, traffic, etc. are all factors here.

[AlexanderDrew]

Do you have a driving licence?
Quoted directly from the UK Highway Code...

"AMBER means ‘Stop’ at the stop line. You may go on only if the AMBER appears after you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident".

Same thing applies to most countries.

So wait, Amber doesn't mean STOP like red does, it actually means stop if its safe to do so, slow down or if its a bit too late carry on. So like a warning right?
[rofl]

[ancexiaepidge]

wikipedia
In most countries, the sequence is green (go), amber (prepare to stop), and red (stop). In Russia, Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Austria, Israel, and parts of Canada and Mexico, the green light flashes for a few seconds before the amber light comes on. In New Zealand, Australia and Canada, amber officially means 'stop (unless it would cause an accident to do so)' but in practice, is treated as 'prepare to stop'. In the UK the sequence is green (go), amber (stop, unless it is unsafe to do so), and red (stop).

[AlexanderDrew]

wikipedia

Better off using

http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum.../dg_070561.pdf


Rather than a wiki site.